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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 15 THREAD 2***
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BumRushDaShow
(129,543 posts)getagrip_already
(14,838 posts)Then the 5 minute rounds.
BumRushDaShow
(129,543 posts)(and the 45 minute rounds can include a mix of the Chair or Ranking member's own questions + their counsels')
bdamomma
(63,923 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,543 posts)including the call that she was being asked to return for her security.
getagrip_already
(14,838 posts)She asked if it was her physical security, and the response was no.
She sounded baffled as to what it means.
BumRushDaShow
(129,543 posts)It was a bullshit reason but she had to eventually confirm that once she was back home.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)demmiblue
(36,898 posts)rzemanfl
(29,570 posts)backtoblue
(11,345 posts)Edit: Is that not clear obstruction of justice?
calimary
(81,509 posts)Witness-intimidation.
getagrip_already
(14,838 posts)What a coincidence....
bdamomma
(63,923 posts)bully.
you are vile, keep on putting those nails in your coffin.
GoCubsGo
(32,095 posts)Fat Nixon is scared...
How the fuck is this kind of shit being allowed to continue????
Arkansas Granny
(31,532 posts)trof
(54,256 posts)Federal witness intimidation is punishable by up to 20 years in federal prison and a fine of up to $250,000. Using physical force to intimidate a federal witness results in a federal prison sentence of up to 30 years.
https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/witness-tampering.html
crickets
(25,983 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,447 posts)Botany
(70,589 posts)Kent, Taylor, and Yovanovitch have all been very good.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Botany
(70,589 posts)Yavonavitch has already spoke of Rudy, Manafort and these 3 Amigos.
That conference yielded the crew described as the new "three amigos" assigned the Ukraine portfolio: Gordon Sondland, ambassador to the European Union; Kurt Volker, then an envoy to Ukraine for its peace negotiations; and Energy Secretary Rick Perry.
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/15/770482694/wh-replaced-pro-ukraine-staff-with-three-amigos-congress-reportedly-told
bdamomma
(63,923 posts)gave 33 years to her service, and was thrown out of her post. Horrible.
getagrip_already
(14,838 posts)Not even for cause, not even a phony cause.
crickets
(25,983 posts)It obviously hurt her personally and professionally. She also genuinely cared about the people she served in Ukraine as well as the US, and cared about how US foreign policy is being undermined. You can't buy that or teach that. It's a calling, and tossing it aside is destructive and stupid.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,234 posts)Botany
(70,589 posts)Kent, Taylor, and Yovanovitch have all been very good. Very professional.
And she has brought in Rudy, Manafort and the 3 amigos.
D_Master81
(1,822 posts)All of this sounds bad but I fear unless something changes later its all just about firing and undermining an ambassador but is that really impeachable? Wouldve rather seen Sondland or someone closer to scandal itself.
madaboutharry
(40,224 posts)They got rid of her because she wouldn't go along with it or look the other way.
BumRushDaShow
(129,543 posts)She was a witness to the bribery and illegal alternate foreign policy objectives performed by a non-government employee - Ghouliani.
Happy Hoosier
(7,395 posts)But it's part of a story.
Trump recalled her because Rudy Ghouliani told him she was curtailing his efforts pressure the Ukrainian government to investigate the Bidens and to line their pockets.
D_Master81
(1,822 posts)I just hope the Democrats can tie all of this together. Otherwise all of the GOP noise will muddy the waters and make this seem like it has nothing to do with what was testified to on Wednesday
bdamomma
(63,923 posts)sickening.
she was threatened.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... good person.
calimary
(81,509 posts)Wont stand up for his own people. She got no support from him. Schmuck.
So much for YOUR presidential ambitions, Mike.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Been too busy to get to sit down, not even sure what time it started today.
crickets
(25,983 posts)eta I don't have a subscription and have had no problem loading the page, so I think this page is available for everyone.
BumRushDaShow
(129,543 posts)crickets
(25,983 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,543 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)bdamomma
(63,923 posts)RUSSIA. everything. Putin hated the State Department. Hated.
llmart
(15,555 posts)That's why he assisted the dumbbell we now have in corrupting our election. Putin was terrified of Clinton because she was tough.
bdamomma
(63,923 posts)afraid of a woman.
llmart
(15,555 posts)Strong, smart, self-confident women terrify both of them.
gademocrat7
(10,672 posts)trump is a vile corrupt man. His entire cabal needs to be removed from office.
Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)Trump bad mouths our ambassador to another leader? Our foreign policy has to have continuity across administrations. That is undermining our credibility.
Then he praises the corrupt former prosecutor? Why would any country believe anything we say ever again?
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)llmart
(15,555 posts)who said trump "speaks in code but you know what he means".
BumRushDaShow
(129,543 posts)since Cohen decided to make a career "in the streets".
He was a cretin prior to his conviction, but he's been spot-on with his statements and assessment since. We need others to have a "come to Jesus" moment....
Leghorn21
(13,526 posts)calimary
(81,509 posts)malaise
(269,187 posts)Go Ambassador
MerryBlooms
(11,773 posts)malaise
(269,187 posts)Would you like to respond to the President's attack? Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
MerryBlooms
(11,773 posts)because they feared orange tweets.
crickets
(25,983 posts)Mike 03
(16,616 posts)It was a big circle-jerk of propaganda, Solomon to Giuliani to Hannity/Fox, around and around.
crickets
(25,983 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)This testimony is so emotional and visceral. Yovanovitch is not hiding her shock and hurt behind a mask.
Trump destroys so many peoples lives. Thats not a surprise because he is driven by pure ego and reckless impulses.
But what is sad - and also sadly not surprising - is the ease in which republicans cover and encourage his behavior. They lick their lips at the opportunity to tar and smear.
I guess Im most disappointed in the Americans who have such an allegiance to Trump that they welcome his ripping and slashing of American reputation, people and institutions.
It gives me a feeling of helplessness.
llmart
(15,555 posts)Or how important it is to our security in the world.
bdamomma
(63,923 posts)and other countries safe. This is horrible.
Get the RICO Act and throw out these bastards, and those who sing praises to tRump be damned.
BumRushDaShow
(129,543 posts)padah513
(2,506 posts)And a coward. Attacks women regularly.
llmart
(15,555 posts)Bullies are cowards.
Trump has lived a life without consequences. Always had his money and his lawyers to see him through. I can't wait for the day when Karma catches up with him and he comes full circle for all the wrong he's done. I think I'm gonna dance.
llmart
(15,555 posts)once this criminal family (the entire family) is out of our lives for good.
I want "normal" back. Normal means I don't have to sit here every day wondering if our democracy is in jeopardy and our national security and standing in the world is at risk.
calimary
(81,509 posts)And spending the whole day savoring the news coverage. And sharing it all, here!
backtoblue
(11,345 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)Asked her to respond to tRumps charge that everywhere shes been turned bad - a tweet of his from this morning.
Nuts
llmart
(15,555 posts)And was too "busy" working.
He is a pathetic excuse for a human being.
Mersky
(4,986 posts)Are times to lie and bs his way til the next hamberder.
MerryBlooms
(11,773 posts)a statement in support of her, because they were afraid of orange tweets.
demmiblue
(36,898 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,543 posts)calimary
(81,509 posts)bdamomma
(63,923 posts)to be Impeached. Geez, this is not right.
I hate him Hate him.
elleng
(131,141 posts)Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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dalton99a
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calimary
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jberryhill
(62,444 posts)crickets
(25,983 posts)Trump is such an idiot. Good for him adding evidence to the pile, I guess.
I love Schiff's comment: "Some of us here take witness intimidation very, very seriously."
Boom.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,869 posts)which Schiff just called out.
oswaldactedalone
(3,491 posts)So glad Schiff is on our side.
BumRushDaShow
(129,543 posts)madaboutharry
(40,224 posts)Yovanovitch: "I don't think I have that kind of power."
mnhtnbb
(31,405 posts)of impeachment.
What a stupid sack of orange $hit. You could see Schiff thinking that.
backtoblue
(11,345 posts)Omg what a completely disgisting pig
Impeach !
ancianita
(36,137 posts)dalton99a
(81,599 posts)Wednesdays
(17,412 posts)Maybe he doesn't have any left.
If he does, they must be tearing their hair out. That, or he's down to just a gaggle of "yes" men.
backtoblue
(11,345 posts)Honestly, this is completely insane. He must truly listen or take advice from anyone. A one man wrecking ball who his gop enablers just point to their adversaries.
ananda
(28,877 posts)xxx
Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)Trump needed to get rid of Yovanovitch so he could get a non state department ambassador installed. Someone who wouldnt talk about him subverting us policy.
The blatant part is the president can set foreign policy. He could decide to support Russia over Ukraine overtly and the state department would comply.
But he couldnt do it overtly. He had hide the irregular channel because his intent was corrupt. Obviously corrupt.
BumRushDaShow
(129,543 posts)which is partly why Ghouliani is going down.
Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)I agree but using foreign policy for personal gain is intolerable.
If trump is not removed it says going forward no country can ever trust that out policies represent anything concrete. Only the personal interests of the president.
Either way what a cesspool of corruption.
BumRushDaShow
(129,543 posts)they ARE the "swamp"!
cilla4progress
(24,777 posts)Reading drumpf tweet out loud. Brings the element of "pizzazz" some require.
backtoblue
(11,345 posts)While being read to her a personal, public attack on her.
I would have bawled and thrown up n the spot.
She is a concrete angel.
avebury
(10,952 posts)at work so not only can't I actually work, but worse of all I can't listen to the impeachment hearings. I don't have unlimited data on my personal phone so I will periodically have to check into DU for updates.
BumRushDaShow
(129,543 posts)crickets
(25,983 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,447 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,543 posts)bdamomma
(63,923 posts)crickets
(25,983 posts)nolabear
(41,991 posts)bdamomma
(63,923 posts)nolabear
(41,991 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,234 posts)CuriousAsterisk
(36 posts)How is the sergeant-at-arms not being activated or seal team six and arresting Trump and removing him after that display of witness intimidation? No other person would maintain office for long after something like that.