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(13,778 posts)I worked with some of it in it's early years. ARPA, DARPA, etc.
leftstreet
(36,113 posts)Thanks for posting this!
wiggs
(7,817 posts)Mind'. The role of psychedelics in the tech boom can't be overlooked. Another one of many reasons why capitalism is not solely responsible for computers and smart phones.
lapfog_1
(29,226 posts)As a college undergrad I wrote some of the code that ran the little computer that appears at 2:20 into this video... the IMP or Interface Message Processor... IMPs were essential in the Arpanet as they translated from machine type to machine type (mainframes of that era used wildly different character sets, different binary word lengths, and even different binary math.
Later, at NASA in the 1990s, I directed 100s of thousands of your taxpayer dollars in to university research projects... like Redundant Arrays of Inexpensive Disks or RAIDs (almost all of the current Internet is stored first on RAID storage systems or their offshoots like Erasure Coded Object Stores).
Government funding of basic research into technology is essential to building the products in the future.
Yavin4
(35,446 posts)telling people that you are a genius?
lapfog_1
(29,226 posts)And I've bought my fair share of Macs and Ipods and Iphones (but no Lisa or Newton... not everything Apple did was even decent).
I don't know if I am a true genius... in certain areas I have been acclaimed as such... and I have decent IQ scores and patents and grades. But then I've met true geniuses... and I've met both Jobs and Wozniak and Larry Ellison (Oracle)... and, while the latter group are very smart, they don't match up in the genius department with some of the true geniuses (Richard Feynman for example... I had the privilege of meeting him in 1988 just before he passed away).
No black turtlenecks... but I do wear jeans... mostly.
appalachiablue
(41,174 posts)unblock
(52,328 posts)it's certainly possible, in some cases, that capitalism's incentives encourage people to work hard for the betterment of society, and get a reasonable reward for doing so.
in practice, in many cases, capitalism's incentives simply encourage people to be greedy. *one* way to act on that greed is to work hard for the betterment of society, but without careful and constant regulation and other governmental actions to align incentives with social betterment, it is often possible to take advantage of various points where the reward is larger than the contribution to the betterment of society.
among the problems is that capitalism doesn't provide a particular incentive for private entities to improve the commons. this is left to the government. so things like basic inventions and fundamental intellectual breakthroughs often don't happen at private companies, as these days it requires massive investment with uncertain outcomes, especially as the intellectual breakthrough may be years ahead of a real profit opportunity that comes from bringing that advance to market.
so the government make many advances through programs like the manhattan project, the space program, and early internet research and development (darpa and mostly public universities, although some private universities we part of it as well).
after these great ideas and intellectual advances our public, along come companies to convert those new ideas and technologies into products for profit.
what they're really doing is taking advantage of the government handing out those intellectual goodies for free to companies eager to take advantage of them. imagine how much profit they would make if they had to pay the government a reasonable price for use of those ideas, which would have been patented had they been developed privately? sure, they're adding value and deserve a profit for innovating those products into the market, but essentially the government taxed the rest of us to do all the research to create patent-worthy ideas, but then handed the profit *we* should be earning from doing so over to these businesses.
i'm not necessarily saying the government should have kept these advances secret, or should be charging businesses for such things, but i am saying that it pisses me off when businesses go around claiming that they invented all this stuff and shouldn't have to pay taxes and all that, because a lot of these companies wouldn't exist at all, or wouldn't be anything near as profitable, without government investment and effective intellectual giveaways.
Yavin4
(35,446 posts)...those intellectual goodies for free to companies eager to take advantage of them."
To put it more succinctly, socializing costs. privatizing profits, use the media to manipulate the public, and finally, buy off politicians to safeguard your wealth from taxes and de-regulate your business model.
Genius, I tells ya!
Wounded Bear
(58,713 posts)and doesn't really like to take technological risks. They definitely will fight against any technology that threatens their cash cows. Witness the fighting over the oil industry. We basically have the technology to drastically reduce society's carbon footprint now, but the financial interests are still hanging on to the established fossil fuel based "solutions." And, since money is power, they have the political power to force others to follow their dictates.
unblock
(52,328 posts)The oil companies make an outsized profit in part because they don't pay the full cost of pollution. That's spread around the globe.
Economists call this an externality. Capitalism l, to work properly and to have all the desirable effects, relies on the participants in economic transaction paying all the relevant costs of that transaction.
To the extent they can foist some costs on employees or local residents, e.g., they profit unfairly. This encourages them to engage in transactions that may even be of negative overall value.
If I profit $1 by selling you something, and you profit because it's worth $1 more to you than the price of it, then we've net gained $2. Society wins if that's the end of the story. If, however, the medical costs to local residents of the pollution associated with that transaction is $3, then overall we've made society worse.
Wounded Bear
(58,713 posts)and is why capitalism needs to be regulated and externalities accounted for. When capitalists are making obscene profits while poisoning the environment, shit needs changing.
unblock
(52,328 posts)making those engaging in greenhouse gas-generating transactions pay something to offset the social cost of polluting greenhouse gasses is not a "tax". that's simply internalizing the externality. making the participants in the transaction pay the full cost of the transaction instead of letting them get away with imposing external costs on people who didn't consent to the transaction and who don't benefit from it.
i'm never going to beat "carbon tax" for curtness, but something like "carbon cost recapture" might be more accurate.
okieinpain
(9,397 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,505 posts)dlk
(11,578 posts)Currently, the scales are tipped too far toward the capitalism side, to the detriment of taxpayers and consumers.
moondust
(20,006 posts)who was the first human in space?
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Yuri Alekseyevich Gagarin was a Soviet Air Forces pilot and cosmonaut who became the first human to journey into outer space...
Fake news!!! Probably the work of capitalists working in secret and communists taking the credit for it!
What about the Boeing 737 Max and the space shuttle Challenger and the Ford Pinto and...? The greed incentive may have some downsides as well.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)Last edited Thu Nov 7, 2019, 03:00 PM - Edit history (1)
Galileo improved the spyglass/telescope for war money from the Navy
Nazi V2 rockets to the moon
Satellite technology,GPS were needed for spying on enemies from space, so, war concerns invented cell phones
Yeah, like that
Johnny2X2X
(19,114 posts)Trying to be able to put electronic devises onto early war planes drove a lot of technology. Shrinking radios down was needed to keep the weight low.
Delivering ordinance to its target was one of the first applications for computers.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)Tubes and wires into transistors and semiconductors, miniaturization has been the key to just about everything
Thunderbeast
(3,419 posts)I would suggest that the core technologies for the iphone came from Bell Laboratories.
Some core elements are:
Cellular telephony
Unix Operating Systen
C Programming language
Optical fiber transmission
Digital packet switching
Solid state electronics
Wounded Bear
(58,713 posts)starting in WWI and really expanding in WWII, when the technology of military weapons and equipment really took off.
Just saying.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,430 posts)Even silicone rubber seals and caulking came from the need for a sealant that could withstand the environment of space.
That guy on tv with the cannonballed boat couldn't seal it without NASA, and we wouldn't see it on flat screen tvs without NASA.
Yavin4
(35,446 posts)None of these people in that room grew up with any kind of computer in their house, and probably didn't even see and use one until they got to college, if then.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,430 posts)Thunderbeast
(3,419 posts)That, and a regulated monopoly that channeled artificially high phone rates to pay for basic research.
A telephone call outside of your home town used to be a luxury that many homes could not afford.
Wounded Bear
(58,713 posts)Baclava
(12,047 posts)Thunderbeast
(3,419 posts)are inmates who are being exploited by the prison-industrial complex. This is a scandal.