General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOh Lordy! There are tapes!
Link to tweet
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4827297/user-clip-mulvaney-press-conference
Link to tweet
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4827294/user-clip-trump-refers-tape
If the Democrats subpoena the tape for the impeachment-inquiry, what excuses will the Republicans make why they cannot produce a tape that would totally exonerate Trump?
DENVERPOPS
(8,845 posts)Mulvaney's insurance policy in case Trump and Republicans turn on him............
He is just letting them know to not screw with him............
Maraya1969
(22,505 posts)that there should be a tape, as there should be a tape of every president's conversation with a foreign leader.
dlk
(11,578 posts)FreeState
(10,584 posts)I was an independent contractor for a company that made software that tracked digital evidence for the police - this way it could not be tampered with and their was a chain to show in court. I assumed this was true of government meetings?
getagrip_already
(14,838 posts)Remember who we are talking about.
ashredux
(2,609 posts)hadEnuf
(2,215 posts)But people actually demanded some integrity in the country's servants at one time.
Roy Rolling
(6,938 posts)There is no way to hide an edit in 2019. Much less clowns who work in Trump media, the worst professionals in the world.
getagrip_already
(14,838 posts)Let's not forget certain agencies were born to live and breathe fake kompromat. And he has three of the largest countries agencies at his disposal.
He has gotten every agency to lie for him. Don't think he can't get the fbi/cia/kgb to do his dirty work.
LiberalFighter
(51,104 posts)He will send tape to Putin who will then have actors play the parts with Russian accents for a new recording.
iluvtennis
(19,876 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)of course they still call it tape...
Of course knowing the intelligent quotient of republicans, it could very well have been recorded on a Wollensack...
YA KNOW, ONE OF THESE--
https://www.etsy.com/listing/741725879/1960s-wollensak-vacuum-tube-stereo-reel?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_a-electronics_and_accessories-audio-stereos_and_home_audio&utm_custom1=01037563-4b8e-4510-ad68-577c04920ce6&utm_content=go_1843970779_69216057505_346429258280_aud-459688891835:pla-355000298316_c__741725879&gclid=Cj0KCQjw9fntBRCGARIsAGjFq5EJTaD5vSzywWOvyLgo9QiUeEwlMNsWAv-eeP4Zu-T6n3br1k4qkcMaAuWdEALw_wcB
Celerity
(43,545 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)dlk
(11,578 posts)Also, there is more than one transcriber. Its likely any tape released would be heavily edited beforehand.
Eugene
(61,963 posts)that I believed was beyond even your capabilities.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)mountain grammy
(26,655 posts)hay rick
(7,643 posts)Progressive2020
(713 posts)They are a bunch of semi-competent criminals. It would be funny if it weren't so serious and dangerous. Trump is a clown (albeit a dangerous clown) who attracts like-minded clowns. They are criminally incompetent. It is amazing that the government functions at all with criminal idiots like this at the top.
DENVERPOPS
(8,845 posts)is they think they are superior and are so smart they will never be caught......
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,494 posts)Never trust the tRump White House for truth.........
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,778 posts)Subpoena his ass.
liberal N proud
(60,346 posts)Nail just about to meet hamar
brush
(53,876 posts)If not everyone will know they are hiding damning evidence. It they do cough it up the gaps in the released non-transcript will incriminate the imposter pres.
brush
(53,876 posts)he's admitted there is tape of the phone call.
Serves the orange asshole right. He hires people like himselfincompetents.
George II
(67,782 posts)patphil
(6,217 posts)Any recording is purely electronic...a data file on a server.
And it stands to reason that all phone calls are recorded for reference purposes.
I am sure that any leader of a foreign government is recording the call for that person's end.
We would need to do the same to insure there is no issue with the other side making claims about the content of the call.
It's like cell phone calls. All of them are recorded by the service provider, and are often subpoenaed in criminal cases.
Patrick Phillips
BootinUp
(47,197 posts)California_Republic
(1,826 posts)Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)Igel
(35,359 posts)But a House subpoena wouldn't work.
And then there's the "we are requiring that a foreign government provide evidence against an opponent in the 2020 election" talking anti-point.
Brother Buzz
(36,469 posts)Rudy Giuliani, butt dialing again, accidentally reset the password to the secure server, and that sucker is "double super-secret background" secure.
Response to DetlefK (Original post)
Chin music This message was self-deleted by its author.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Merde A Gogo
Lard A Googoo
Wired For Audio
yuiyoshida
(41,864 posts)Republicans could end up being all Traitors, and allowing this President to govern despite the tapes, after all if he can make a tape about grabbing women by the genitals, and still won an election, what hope is there for the impeachment?
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Igel
(35,359 posts)And, really, given the sheer propensity this man has for "misspeaking" and saying things that sound good but aren't true, who'd be crazy enough to argue, "But if he said it, it must be true."
Demovictory9
(32,475 posts)Raftergirl
(1,294 posts)Stupid Watergate.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)but, Nixon did not have a veritable army of RW media propagandists on his side
DeminPennswoods
(15,290 posts)the notes all the staffers who listened to the call took.
spanone
(135,885 posts)Nitram
(22,892 posts)A transcript is then made from the tape. Much too difficult in realtime with translation, etc.
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)They were pretty quick to put that call on the server, almost like it was a routine action for damage control.
No way a media "star" leaves anything unrecorded.
scipan
(2,359 posts)so I found another clip:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4823159/user-clip-mulvaney-ukraine-call-tape-transcript
crickets
(25,983 posts)Link to tweet
Okay, let's say it was a slip of the tongue on Mulvaney's part. There's still the matter of voice translation protocols.
Trump's July 25 Phone Call With Zelensky May Have Been Taped
If Trump tapes of official phone calls do not exist, artificial intelligence voice recognition software now has 95% and above accuracy rates.
That means, that taping system or not, a digital transcript of the July 25 call exists, or existed, and would provide a fuller knowledge of what Trump said to Zelensky, as well as open up the floodgates for full transcripts of Trump talking with other foreign leaders.
There is a tape or at the very least a digital version of the call, if it has not yet been destroyed. No need to rely on a human generated transcript at all.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Republicans will say it was "strategic." The rest of us know it was his usual stupidity.
SterlingPound
(428 posts)So there better be damn tapes
of everything the POTUS says
especially after the first hint of his disloyalty to the
USA.
(and that is about as Nationalistic as I get)
LudwigPastorius
(9,178 posts)They'll use the same excuse they've been using to dodge other subpoenas, executive privilege.
If a dispute over the production of the tape goes to the Supreme Court, Trump's lawyers will argue that making the tape public would have a chilling effect on the ability of Trump and future presidents to conduct one on one diplomacy with the leaders of other countries. (which in Trump's case is a damn good thing) It's an argument similar to the concept of "deliberative process privilege".
In actuality, Trump and his minions are simply trying to run out the clock, hoping that they can delay any court case and order to comply until after the election.