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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs "senior moment" now politically incorrect?
On The Newshour last night, a guy who ran a program for entrepreneurs over 60 said how startled he was when someone used it. "How would you like to be a member of a group who was characterized that way?" Or words to that effect.
I find it a MOST USEFUL phrase. It's a way to explain why you can't introduce your neighbor to your friend because you can't bring up one of their names. It's not because you're generally stupid, or don't really care about one of them. It's a "senior moment!!!"
It's such a good thing that laughter is good for your health, because there are so many funny things associated with aging!!
EDIT after reading a couple of replies. My assumption is that the use of the phrase is self-referential. I've never heard it used in any other way.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)That is going way to far I think. What I have issues with is outright age discrimination there is a lot of that on this site.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)If someone might take offense at what you have to say, then it is up to you to consider whether or not you should proceed to say it.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)It's such a good thing that laughter is good for your health, because there are so many funny things associated with aging!!
You do understand, don't you, that mentioning a "senior moment" is almost always self referential???? That is, people say "I'm having a senior moment," not "You're having a senior moment."
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)No one goes to jail for making a bad impression, and I doubt there is anyone who has never inadvertently offended someone.
One general rule concerning the social risk of potentially-offensive colloquialisms is whether you are in the company of complete strangers, whose sensitivities you would not know, or among friends who would forgive you for an inadvertent faux pas even if the expression was one they do not prefer.
Emotional intelligence is hard to quantify, and one frequently hears the complaints of persons with a determined lack of social skills concerning the workplace rules about "unwanted sexual advances" - well how do you know? Of course, if one is unable to gauge various contextual and social cues, which ability one may not have for various reasons, then it is probably safest to refrain from taking that risk in any event.
The "self referential" exception to potentially offensive expressions is a tricky one too. Dave Chappelle engaged in a lot of humor which some people found to be funny, and other people found to be offensive, regardless of the fact that he is an African American. YMMV.
Should you offend someone with this phrase, then just send me a PM and I will offer you my forgiveness and moral absolution upon receipt of $5 via paypal for each incident, if that will make you feel better. Otherwise, you might just offend someone, somewhere, sometime, and you'll have to live with the eternal shame of it.
shraby
(21,946 posts)lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)or some times brain fart. I don't stress because I don't recall who was in a certain movie or who lives on what street. It's been that way as far back as I can recall. The day I go to the grocery store in my underwear is when I will think I have cause for concern.
braddy
(3,585 posts)Vinca
(50,273 posts)I forget your name - senior moment. I forget the name of an actor - senior moment. I put trash in the recycling bin - senior moment. If not for senior moment I'd be calling myself a blithering idiot.
crickets
(25,980 posts)Describing someone else with the same phrase is a bit rude, imo.
Initech
(100,076 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Initech
(100,076 posts)You can always tell how his bowel movements are impacted (ha!) by how angry his early morning tweets are!
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)mokawanis
(4,441 posts)so I don't mind the phrase "senior moment".
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,858 posts)or temporarily forget something, right?
In reality, the thing we call a "senior moment" is hardly confined to seniors.
RobinA
(9,893 posts)This whole « senior moment » thing is a case of confirmation bias. No 20 year old who forgets why they walked into the kitchen thinks they are having a senior moment, but people who think they are getting old...oh, senior moment, I forgot what I came in her for.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)It's a reference to a real phenomenon, diminishing memory of names of things and people. And we can deal with it by getting embarrassed or by smiling about it.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)It's a reference to a real phenomenon. And we can deal with it by getting embarrassed or by smiling about it.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,858 posts)Or walks into a room and can't initially remember why he walked in?
While it may not be as common as when older, trust me, because I've been 20 also, it happens at all ages.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)and she's been doing that for the almost 40 years I've known her.
OF course, I am always aware of what I'm trying to pontiac.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)posts, I realized it was of course feeding ageism by ascribing our failures to many millions of others whose memories are just fine.
I hate sounding like one of those uber-"woke" idiots, but I would never say, "sorry, I'm having a female moment" because I didn't remember where we parked; and if my husband ascribed his unwillingness to pay retail for a new car to "having a Jewish moment," we'd be having a little talk.
So, thanks to you, LAS14, my answer is that you shouldn't ascribe your failures to others just because they're your general age. But it will be perfectly okay to say, "Sorry, I'm having an LAS14 moment."
LAS14
(13,783 posts).... process of aging, and NOT because I don't really remember my neighbor's or friend's name. At the other end of the spectrum, if I don't laugh it off with this dismissive phrase, they might start to worry that I'm coming down with true dementia. If someone that I knew well couldn't come up with my name (e.g., the violinist in my bi-weekly chamber group), and just said "I can't remember," I would start to worry.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)It's pleasantly self deprecating. And cognitive and memory decline with age affect so many it's natural to look for it. But those who aren't affected shouldn't be smeared with an assumption that they must be.
My aunt who lived to 103 had a good memory all her life and was handling all her own financial affairs, mostly on line, through her 100th birthday, needing assistance with increasingly swift decline only in the last couple of years. Ascribing her memory lapses to senior moments when she was 30 years younger would have been inappropriate.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)Someone observed that all humor is cruel. Maybe so. (Although people point out that puns aren't cruel, etc.) It's a puzzle.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)There's nothing wrong with using terms like "senior moment".
We need to stop this. Nothing turns off the middle more than doing stuff like this. And we can't win elections without the middle.
mackdaddy
(1,527 posts)That is a "TLA" (Three Letter Acronym) for "Can't Remember ..." oh some S word. I'll think of it in a minute.
dware
(12,380 posts)LOL
DavidDvorkin
(19,479 posts)That I want to jump up from my chair and hop around the room shouting!
If I could. Since I can't, I'll just sit here and forget about it. Which I'll probably do very quickly.
dware
(12,380 posts)with your comment.
Thanks.
klook
(12,155 posts)theres somebody on your lawn! Mine, too oh, wait, its just the Halloween decorations Ive forgotten to put up....
SWBTATTReg
(22,129 posts)way, I always explain away when I forget stuff (and we all do), that I'm having a senior moment, and I don't take offense in describing myself in this manner...doesn't bother me one bit.
DavidDvorkin
(19,479 posts)I don't get the upset.
I don't grok this.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,346 posts)"Senior moment" is simply an expression of fear of losing mental sharpness with age.
You don't put much emphasis on forgetting things when you're young. When you're old, you question each failure to recall as if it's the beginning of the end.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)... for names of people and things diminishing? If you are saying that they don't, then you're mistaken. You say it is "simply an expression of fear." No, it's not. It's a reference to a real phenomenon. And we can deal with it by getting embarrassed or by smiling about it.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,346 posts)Uh-oh. You cant find your keys. You forgot the name of your newest neighboragain. And exactly where did you park your car at the mall, anyway?
An occasional memory slip is normal, says Johns Hopkins geriatrician Sevil Yasar, M.D., Ph.D. But as you age, these senior moments may leave you wondering whether youre heading for dementiathe loss of memory and thinking skills severe enough to interfere with independent living, often due to Alzheimers disease or other brain changes.
Stress, an extra-busy day, poor sleep and even some medications can interfere with making and recalling memories, Yasar says. And we all have moments when a name or the title of a movie is right on the tip of the tongue, but those events are different from the kinds of lapses that may be warning signs for dementia.
[ ... ]
-- Memory Lapse or Dementia? 5 Clues to Help Tell the Difference
LAS14
(13,783 posts)... from Alzheimers. It doesn't say anything to suggest that normal memory lapses don't increase as you age. To claim otherwise is to put elderly people in a bind. They've either got Alzheimers or the don't REALLY have more memory problems than they used to. Ergo, no sympathy, no understanding.
kimbutgar
(21,153 posts)Takes awhile to find the information in the file cabinet of your brain?
randr
(12,412 posts)I have no problem with it. I need to use the phrase from time to time
TheBlackAdder
(28,201 posts).
Younger it was impulsiveness or distraction, but now it's just more to do with age-related brain function.
I'm performing long intermittent fasting which is shown to stimulate HGH and Brain Regenerative Growth Hormones.
Occasional two-day fasting promotes the intense development of stem cells.
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Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)doddering old person stereotype. I suppose if you are older and retired, it might not hurt...but I don't really find the phrase all that cute.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)I choose smiles. I seriously doubt that there are very many times when a 30 year old blanks on the name of a friend or neighbor.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)cognitive decline. I think if I forgot the name of a neighbor or friend, I might want to get evaluated. I still maintain that I don't want to be lumped into a category of cute, but harmless, forgetful, doddering people just because I'm older. That said, everyone has brain farts, I sometimes have issues with word retrieval and recalling certain facts regarding projects I'm managing, but I attribute that to stress and multiple workstreams...I work with lots of 30 year olds who are much the same.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)" if I forgot the name of a neighbor or friend, " "Forgot" is probably the wrong word. Momentary block is more accurate. If it hasn't happened to you yet, then you're either not yet old or one of those lucky ones. It sure has happened to LOT of my cohort. And it's not a reason to go get evaluated. If it can't be acknowledged in a light hearted way, then it becomes a source of embarrassment. Not good.
You know what? If we're lucky to live long enough we're going to become "doddering" too. Muscles weaken, joints become painful. We should not be forced to pretend this doesn't happen. It doesn't make us "harmless," so watch out!
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Not saying it wont happen to me but Im surrounded by young people and would rather walk through biting coals than attribute a mental lapse to my age. Maybe thats just me and my situation. Others dont seem to have a problem with it. Im just acutely aware of ageism and not looking to give anyone ammunition regarding the capabilities of older people. As I said maybe if youre retired and/or living and working among people in your cohort it may not be an issue. As for me, its brain farts
LAS14
(13,783 posts)... It doesn't quite work to say "senior moment" to someone who doesn't know what you're talking about.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)I thought about this interchange a lot. It was very cheering to me to have engaged in a back and forth where we both seemed to have gotten a new blick. I realized that phrases like "senior moment," can be used in hurtful, prejudicial ways, and it looks like you realized that there are benefits to acknowledging the facts of old age, hopefully with humor.
As I was on my walk today I thought of another attribute of "doddering." That is, loss of good balance. I hadn't realized that balance isn't a matter of will, but is a physical thing that happens with amazing coordination of eyes and inner ear and the souls of your feet. I didn't know this until my husband began to have balance problems. There are certainly excercises that work wonders, but not miracles. Anyway, until I understood what was going on I looked at the people around me who "doddered" or used canes or walkers. Sometimes I figured it was arthritis, but other times it sort of slopped over into drunk? over medicated? Now I tell people whenever there's an opportunity about the purely physical aspects of losing a sense of balance as you age.
I've puzzled over how to address the two concerns we have at once. One way, I guess, is to acknowledge the statistical phenomena of aging while fighting prejudice (pre-judging) at every turn. It's never OK to presume that an aged person is afflicted with something to the point of not being able to do a job.
Life is complex.
Anyway, thanks for the helpful interchange.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)having balance problems which I'd attributed to post-chemo neuropathy (breast cancer survivor) and all the meds I now have to take. I'm now wondering if there are other things going on. Again, thank you!
Pathwalker
(6,598 posts)I'm getting very good at having them, alot! Wait, what was the subject?
LAS14
(13,783 posts)DavidDvorkin
(19,479 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)😀
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)when it happens to me. Which isn't often, of course.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)It doesn't bother me. It is what it is.
I just don't remember stuff like I used to, unless it got shoved into my brain years ago. That's why I'm the lead member of a trivia team, but I'll be damned if I can remember the couple who joined us last night.