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kpete

(71,991 posts)
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 12:29 PM Oct 2019

In delicious knife twist, Pelosi says 'it's not too late' for Republicans to put country over party

Nancy Pelosi
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We’ve learned so much about Trump’s months-long campaign to pressure Ukraine because military veterans & his own national security aides stood up to tell the truth. They put their country ahead of everything else. It’s not too late for Republicans in Congress to do the same.




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In delicious knife twist, Pelosi says 'it's not too late' for Republicans to put country over party (Original Post) kpete Oct 2019 OP
I won't hold my breath pandr32 Oct 2019 #1
Neither is she. This is shining a spotlight on the fact that they won't. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2019 #28
What she needs to do is say they've made up their mind before seeing the evidence nt coti Oct 2019 #45
I think that her accusation that they are now "putting party before country" is more effective. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2019 #47
not party before country study war no more Oct 2019 #50
The Republicans have already crossed that Rubicon, I am afraid TheRealNorth Oct 2019 #2
Actually, they have crossed the river Styx but have yet to pay Charon the boatman! machoneman Oct 2019 #10
Lol TheRealNorth Oct 2019 #11
Leave it to tRump to stiff the ferryman.... lastlib Oct 2019 #20
But they won't pay the ferryman lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #24
They won't, though. It's going to take much more than the Ukraine story... Garrett78 Oct 2019 #3
Yes, Nancy!!! Now, I wait for a single republican to step forward.........wait.........wait........ SWBTATTReg Oct 2019 #4
A couple of them have tentatively stepped forward gratuitous Oct 2019 #5
When they leave office after they announce, and then don't help in effectively fighting this .... SWBTATTReg Oct 2019 #6
Not to worry. Money and threats Eyeball_Kid Oct 2019 #53
this was just baiting stopdiggin Oct 2019 #7
Yes, she is. She is, along w/ many others, are heroes in my book, and deserves every bit... SWBTATTReg Oct 2019 #9
Perhaps a few will do just that. MineralMan Oct 2019 #8
but the intersection of decorated military stopdiggin Oct 2019 #12
Decorated military heroes and career civil servants are "the Deep State." lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #25
Beautiful! We did that with one of our Indivisible asks this week. calimary Oct 2019 #13
even RATs (Republicans Asskissing Trump) like lifeboats Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #16
The republican party is so corrupt and their supporters so brain washed they need an intervention. The Wielding Truth Oct 2019 #14
If 5-6 of them in the Senate duforsure Oct 2019 #15
What happens if they switch to Independent? greymattermom Oct 2019 #17
They could switch to Indie, even temporarily, and caucus with Dems Zambero Oct 2019 #18
Collins needs to lose her reelection so bad IronLionZion Oct 2019 #29
As Seth would say, SCVDem Oct 2019 #19
They actually put their personal self-interest above everything. Duppers Oct 2019 #21
In the meantime... BaronChocula Oct 2019 #22
I don't think she seriously expects them to do this. colorado_ufo Oct 2019 #23
+1000. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2019 #26
Crickets from the MontanaMama Oct 2019 #27
The truth hurts Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #30
Nancy Pelosi deserves our eternal gratitude. Thank you Speaker Pelosi! NurseJackie Oct 2019 #31
i agree we should be grateful. i disagree she's owed an apology. these ppl work for us. Kurt V. Oct 2019 #36
You know perfectly well there's a difference between... NurseJackie Oct 2019 #38
i do. I'm for the former and despise the latter Kurt V. Oct 2019 #39
Of course. NurseJackie Oct 2019 #40
Oops..there it is again. Accusing people of "venomous Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #44
LOL! NurseJackie Oct 2019 #46
..... ehrnst Oct 2019 #49
most of the GOP is no longer the LOYAL opposition anymore. pansypoo53219 Oct 2019 #32
That is the correct thing to say. warmfeet Oct 2019 #33
surely this is some kind of mind fuck by pelosi bc its far too late for that. Kurt V. Oct 2019 #34
Keep chipping away. Let's see if we can get his core support below 20% ffr Oct 2019 #35
She speaks a clever implied message that includes zero urging to switch parties (outright, anyway) DFW Oct 2019 #37
Way to go, Madam Speaker! sueh Oct 2019 #41
She's giving them a safety color...orange. patphil Oct 2019 #42
Do you know why Trump is bad and should be impeached? forgotmylogin Oct 2019 #43
Absolutely NOTHING will get Lindsey Graham to convict.... ProudMNDemocrat Oct 2019 #48
Need 20 senators to flip at140 Oct 2019 #51
Now it is too late-all Repugs chose Party over Country--plus a couple of Dems. riversedge Oct 2019 #52
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
47. I think that her accusation that they are now "putting party before country" is more effective. (nt)
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:29 AM
Oct 2019

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50. not party before country
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:46 AM
Oct 2019

but one human before party, before country.

I think they are terrified of the mob boss.

TheRealNorth

(9,481 posts)
2. The Republicans have already crossed that Rubicon, I am afraid
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 12:41 PM
Oct 2019

I think the Republicans have been bathing in the Putin swamp since at least October 2015.

machoneman

(4,007 posts)
10. Actually, they have crossed the river Styx but have yet to pay Charon the boatman!
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 01:26 PM
Oct 2019

Dead souls, for sure!

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
3. They won't, though. It's going to take much more than the Ukraine story...
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 12:41 PM
Oct 2019

...to get us anywhere close to a bi-partisan impeachment and a Senate conviction.

Find audio of Trump swearing allegiance to Putin in exchange for Lord Vladimir not releasing kompromat and maybe - MAYBE - we'd get close to 20 Republican Senators to convict. Probably closer to 10, though.

SWBTATTReg

(22,124 posts)
4. Yes, Nancy!!! Now, I wait for a single republican to step forward.........wait.........wait........
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 12:42 PM
Oct 2019

....still waiting...........still waiting..........hello? are there any repugs listening?....................................................................

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
5. A couple of them have tentatively stepped forward
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 12:46 PM
Oct 2019

Mostly during their public announcement that they're not running again in 2020 and retiring from politics. But not because Republicans are headed toward the political wilderness for the next decade or more, so stop saying that!

SWBTATTReg

(22,124 posts)
6. When they leave office after they announce, and then don't help in effectively fighting this ....
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 12:51 PM
Oct 2019

problem, then they are part of the problem, and cowards in leaving office w/o helping to fix this serious issue affecting the country and the making of laws, an illegally installed president, etc. I will always harp on this...they don't get a break just because they are leaving and if anything, the problem gets worse since they are leaving office, a rump harpie gets to run for that office then...

stopdiggin

(11,308 posts)
7. this was just baiting
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 01:00 PM
Oct 2019

don't think there's any real expectation of genuine movement.
But .. like so many here have called for .. hold their selfish and callow character up to the light. The Speaker is playing to the people .. not the Repugs. And effectively I might add!

SWBTATTReg

(22,124 posts)
9. Yes, she is. She is, along w/ many others, are heroes in my book, and deserves every bit...
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 01:03 PM
Oct 2019

of our support.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
8. Perhaps a few will do just that.
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 01:00 PM
Oct 2019

I don't expect them to announce their intentions in advance, though

stopdiggin

(11,308 posts)
12. but the intersection of decorated military
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 01:28 PM
Oct 2019

and career civil servants testimony and concern does provide some pretty good cover (should they choose). Wouldn't you agree?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
25. Decorated military heroes and career civil servants are "the Deep State."
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 02:44 PM
Oct 2019

And I salute the Deep State for their patriotism.

calimary

(81,267 posts)
13. Beautiful! We did that with one of our Indivisible asks this week.
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 01:29 PM
Oct 2019

“There’s still some room in the lifeboats!”

Literally. That was my headline.

The Wielding Truth

(11,415 posts)
14. The republican party is so corrupt and their supporters so brain washed they need an intervention.
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 01:36 PM
Oct 2019

A national awakening to the truth. How can they be reached in time?

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
15. If 5-6 of them in the Senate
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 01:39 PM
Oct 2019

Got together to switch party because of trump and Moscow Mitch, the Senate Republicans would be out of power there, and prolong these republicans careers for their actions, stopping trump and putin's policies destroying our Democracy.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
17. What happens if they switch to Independent?
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 01:42 PM
Oct 2019

Do they have to declare a caucus party? Is that decision permanent?

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
18. They could switch to Indie, even temporarily, and caucus with Dems
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 01:54 PM
Oct 2019

A year ago would have been more realistic for this, but a year out from the 2020 race seems unlikely. Some of them (Collins comes to mind) would have likely been in a better predicament re-election-wise had they done so long ago. At this point she either sinks or swims with the GOP-Trumpista label, hopefully the former.

IronLionZion

(45,442 posts)
29. Collins needs to lose her reelection so bad
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 03:25 PM
Oct 2019

Dems should beat her with this issue

Romney is safe in his seat so could easily be brave if he wanted to instead of hiding behind a Twitter alias.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
21. They actually put their personal self-interest above everything.
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 02:10 PM
Oct 2019

That's the definition of all Republicans.

BaronChocula

(1,557 posts)
22. In the meantime...
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 02:19 PM
Oct 2019

gops are no different than the jury in the Emmett Till case. Their blanked denial is the equivalent of jury nullification.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
31. Nancy Pelosi deserves our eternal gratitude. Thank you Speaker Pelosi!
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 05:30 PM
Oct 2019

She also deserves an apology from those who insulted her with ageist vulgarities, and who were "too big for their own panties" in their hot-headed, impatient and grandstanding attacks on her.

Nancy Pelosi is a national treasure.

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
36. i agree we should be grateful. i disagree she's owed an apology. these ppl work for us.
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:42 PM
Oct 2019

the day we can't criticize them is the day democracy ends.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
38. You know perfectly well there's a difference between...
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:47 PM
Oct 2019

You know perfectly well there's a difference between criticism and the venomous smears and insults.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
44. Oops..there it is again. Accusing people of "venomous
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:57 PM
Oct 2019

Smears and insults." Please provide examples. It's defamatory and it squelches free and open discord.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
46. LOL!
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 05:47 AM
Oct 2019
Please provide examples. It's defamatory and it squelches free and open discord.
LOL! Do your own research... or pay closer attention.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
33. That is the correct thing to say.
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:17 PM
Oct 2019

Thank you, Nancy. Always good to see that you, and so many other Democrats, have our backs. We have your back as well.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
35. Keep chipping away. Let's see if we can get his core support below 20%
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:42 PM
Oct 2019

It's only at 26% now.

His presidency is over.

DFW

(54,380 posts)
37. She speaks a clever implied message that includes zero urging to switch parties (outright, anyway)
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:44 PM
Oct 2019

"You can be a patriot and still be a Republican."

Operative word: "can." As in (unspoken) "but at the moment, there are only unpatriotic Republicans out there."

Ergo--she is subtly forcing them to say, "we are, too, patriots!"

Since fewer and fewer people are falling for that, this, in turn, opens them up for:

"THEN START ACTING LIKE IT FOR A CHANGE!"

(they won't, of course, and there lies the rub)

forgotmylogin

(7,528 posts)
43. Do you know why Trump is bad and should be impeached?
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:32 PM
Oct 2019

He blithered his conceited, entitled self into the Presidency, and he, of course, thinks he's going to *bully* other countries into making deals with him to make money and kick the ladder out from underneath on anyone who won't play ball. This is Reality TV logic like The Apprentice. This is not the type of diplomacy the USA has been trying to foster for hundreds of years. His behavior is the kind of thing our Forefathers specifically wrote laws to prevent.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,785 posts)
48. Absolutely NOTHING will get Lindsey Graham to convict....
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:50 AM
Oct 2019

He is so glued to Trump's ass, it's not funny.

But all of this will come back to blow up in his face. He already looks the fool. But Congressional Republicans do have a decision to make. Abandon ship or go down with it. Either way, they are screwed.

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