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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 09:16 AM Oct 2019

Glenn Kirschner: I think all Trump enablers in government should be asking themselves this question



Glenn Kirschner ✔ @glennkirschner2

I think all Trump enablers in government should be asking themselves the following question: if I support, encourage or cover-up presidential crimes, can I be charged as an Accessory After the Fact once a law-abiding Attorney General takes over? See 18 USC section 3.

8:59 AM - Oct 29, 2019


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Glenn Kirschner: I think all Trump enablers in government should be asking themselves this question (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Oct 2019 OP
Or will I end up in jail long after Traitor Trump has abandon me. Farmer-Rick Oct 2019 #1
or anything SterlingPound Oct 2019 #3
He seems pretty loyal to Putin NewJeffCT Oct 2019 #5
Oh yeah, but Putin has stolen most of the Russian people's wealth Farmer-Rick Oct 2019 #20
:) And for Trump supporters, is it too late to establish "plausible deniability?" Hortensis Oct 2019 #2
That is why I have been saying gibraltar72 Oct 2019 #4
Glenn is a smart guy NewJeffCT Oct 2019 #6
tRump has not Scarsdale Oct 2019 #7
As my husband says... Chicagogrl1 Oct 2019 #26
Too bad Mr. Kirschner has so little legal experience Botany Oct 2019 #8
And they have conspired duforsure Oct 2019 #9
Ask 'em, "Do you feel lucky today, punk? Well, do ya?" n/t MrModerate Oct 2019 #10
Do you really think these people are capable of critical thinking? This is the same party that Augiedog Oct 2019 #11
We should give them a new name, like Ilsa Oct 2019 #12
Sorry to be Debbie Downer, but... Shipwack Oct 2019 #13
Yeah, I remember that. If those torture wiennies and unwarranted wiretapping criminals Farmer-Rick Oct 2019 #21
This has been my underlying fear ever since this crime-spree, reign bullwinkle428 Oct 2019 #23
"Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya, punk? lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #14
Seven kids, five ex-wives, featured speaker at GOP Convention czarjak Oct 2019 #31
Here Is Link to 18 USC section 3 DallasNE Oct 2019 #15
Here's the wording of the code (2 short paragraphs) Native Oct 2019 #16
HALF!!!!! Native Oct 2019 #18
Doubtful. We have set a precedent to move on after a new administration takes over. oldsoftie Oct 2019 #17
But can they be charged? Rule of law should come before precedent, this admin is lawless & enabling uponit7771 Oct 2019 #19
I think so, but COULD & WILL are two totally different things. oldsoftie Oct 2019 #28
Since most of the GOP has sold out to Russian and Saudi interests Mr. Ected Oct 2019 #22
For way too long, admins have ignored a previous admins crimes. We don't want the public Karadeniz Oct 2019 #24
K&R bagimin Oct 2019 #25
Lock all of them up. warmfeet Oct 2019 #27
And ALL of the enablers, ALL of the hidden patrons and conspirators: Skinner, Mercer, Koch, Murdoch, Ford_Prefect Oct 2019 #29
In a different place and at a different time Aussie105 Oct 2019 #30
I had to write that ask last weekend. We divvy 'em up before we start writing. calimary Oct 2019 #32

Farmer-Rick

(10,202 posts)
1. Or will I end up in jail long after Traitor Trump has abandon me.
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 09:23 AM
Oct 2019

Cause there is one thing we all know about Traitor Trump is that he has absolutely no loyalty to anyone.

Farmer-Rick

(10,202 posts)
20. Oh yeah, but Putin has stolen most of the Russian people's wealth
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 12:32 PM
Oct 2019

And is considered the richest man in the world because of it.

And Traitor Trump is always loyal to the mob boss in charge....at least while they are in power.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
2. :) And for Trump supporters, is it too late to establish "plausible deniability?"
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 09:28 AM
Oct 2019

I made an aggressive Trump supporter with a big flock of grandchildren pretty angry last year by suggesting it was way past time for her to start and wondering if her grandchildren didn't all already know not to mention politics when grandma's around. But it was better advice than she deserved.

gibraltar72

(7,510 posts)
4. That is why I have been saying
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 09:33 AM
Oct 2019

our candidates for any federal office must state no one is gonna get away scott free.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
7. tRump has not
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 10:18 AM
Oct 2019

one single positive quality. Not one. He is a failure at everything, who thinks he is a success. What do these people see in him, that they risk their reputations to support him? We had a very high quality, intelligent, thoughtful, happily married family man in that office. Now we have what has to be the DREGS of the gop, lording it over them all. He struts around like a king, waddling everywhere unless there is a golf cart handy. His "wife" is a former prostitute pretending to be respectable as "first lady" His kids could never work for anyone else, since daddy enables them and their incompetence. Tragic what has happened to this once great country in just less than 3 years. The gop should all retire, get out of politics, since their choices for president seem to be the scrapings from the bottom of their barrel.

Chicagogrl1

(420 posts)
26. As my husband says...
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 06:02 PM
Oct 2019

He reflects us, just not all of us, but certainly a swath. I am a strong believer that we have him for a reason, which will become apparent in the future 🤞.

Botany

(70,567 posts)
8. Too bad Mr. Kirschner has so little legal experience
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 10:35 AM
Oct 2019

@NBCNews @MSNBC Legal Analyst;
Fmr 30-yr fed prosecutor w/ @USAO_DC,
DC Chief of Homicide & @USArmy JAG.
President of @HomFamAdvocates

You can't be pro Trump and pro America @ the same time. They are mutually exclusive.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
9. And they have conspired
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 10:54 AM
Oct 2019

By them all taking orders and following them they are conspiring together to obstruct justice, and cover up the presidents and their crimes. By just declaring he hasn't done anything will not end well for any of these people, especially Barr , Guiliani , Pompeo, Munckin and Ross and others. They'll be begging for mercy when justice eventually holds them accountable.

Augiedog

(2,548 posts)
11. Do you really think these people are capable of critical thinking? This is the same party that
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 10:54 AM
Oct 2019

tried to outlaw the teaching of critical thinking in the state of Texas.

Shipwack

(2,170 posts)
13. Sorry to be Debbie Downer, but...
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 11:19 AM
Oct 2019

I think they have nothing to worry about.

We had the opportunity (and moral obligation) to try many people for war crimes when President Obama came into power. Instead, the decision was made to “look forward, not backward”.

I have no doubt that the same thing is going to happen when the next administration is sworn in.

Farmer-Rick

(10,202 posts)
21. Yeah, I remember that. If those torture wiennies and unwarranted wiretapping criminals
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 12:45 PM
Oct 2019

had been held accountable and prosecuted back then, I really believe we would not be having a Trump presidency right now.

It was as if it was beneath us to hold people accountable to the law. As if it was too petty.

I really hope we have learned our lesson. If you don't prosecute criminals they only get worse. Eversince Nixon, the criminals have been getting worse.

bullwinkle428

(20,630 posts)
23. This has been my underlying fear ever since this crime-spree, reign
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 12:55 PM
Oct 2019

of corruption began.

And while some of our Presidential candidates are more likely to embrace this mindset than others, my hunch is that the narrative that will be pounded home by the MSM will likely force the hand of whoever may be in the Oval Office at that time to abandon any effort to prosecute.

Native

(5,943 posts)
16. Here's the wording of the code (2 short paragraphs)
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 12:12 PM
Oct 2019

Whoever, knowing that an offense against the United States has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.

Except as otherwise expressly provided by any Act of Congress, an accessory after the fact shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571 ) fined not more than one-half the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the principal, or both; ?or if the principal is punishable by life imprisonment or death, the accessory shall be imprisoned not more than 15 years.

https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-18-crimes-and-criminal-procedure/18-usc-sect-3.html

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
19. But can they be charged? Rule of law should come before precedent, this admin is lawless & enabling
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 12:16 PM
Oct 2019

... them by doing little to nothing is a bad thing.

oldsoftie

(12,587 posts)
28. I think so, but COULD & WILL are two totally different things.
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 10:14 PM
Oct 2019

But maybe a lawyer needs to chime in, cause I'm NOT one!

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
22. Since most of the GOP has sold out to Russian and Saudi interests
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 12:48 PM
Oct 2019

It's probably not just Trump that keeps them in a cold sweat at night.

Karadeniz

(22,564 posts)
24. For way too long, admins have ignored a previous admins crimes. We don't want the public
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 02:34 PM
Oct 2019

To know that the system didn't work and everything's just perfect with the American way. This time, we've come too close to a dictatorship. Probably time to let people know they'll be held accountable.

Ford_Prefect

(7,918 posts)
29. And ALL of the enablers, ALL of the hidden patrons and conspirators: Skinner, Mercer, Koch, Murdoch,
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 10:52 PM
Oct 2019

and ever so many more.

Take their money, deny their privilege, make them walk in public as the unmasked collaborators and co-conspirators they are. Take them to the cages and show them the pictures of the dead, and the kidnapped, and the missing.

Take their fortunes and give it all to those who have been tortured, starved, humiliated and deported.

Make them sign up for national health care just like any other citizen and let them wait for it just like any other citizen.

Make them walk through the streets of cities and towns they have looted and destroyed in their Hubris and Greed, that they may beg forgiveness and atone...And may that take a very long time.

Aussie105

(5,425 posts)
30. In a different place and at a different time
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 10:57 PM
Oct 2019

Madame Guillotine had all the answers.

A few baskets filled with heads, and the others will pull into line.

. . . . just sayin' . . . .

calimary

(81,441 posts)
32. I had to write that ask last weekend. We divvy 'em up before we start writing.
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 08:49 AM
Oct 2019

In our Indivisible group, our Research & Writing team gets together every weekend to write up the next Call to Action email. We figure out what the asks are and who writes ‘em. I usually get the impeachment ask.

I started adjusting the messaging this time as far as what we want to ask our Congressmen and Senators - fortunately all Democrats. Instead of merely “time to twist arms with your GOP friends”, I’m going deeper. And harder. And more pointed. “Ask them - ‘what does your conscience tell you to do?’ And ‘what does your oath of office tell you to do?’”

Make ‘em squirm.

Or as former farmer and hog castrater/sadist Joni Ernst said in her campaign commercials to win her Iowa Senate seat six years ago, “make ‘em squeal!”

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