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babylonsister

(171,079 posts)
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 10:14 PM Oct 2019

Trump's Plan to Take Syrian Oil Slammed as 'Clear Violation of International Law' and 'Imperial Loo


Trump’s Plan to Take Syrian Oil Slammed as ‘Clear Violation of International Law’ and ‘Imperial Looting’
by Colin Kalmbacher | 1:13 pm, October 27th, 2019


President Donald Trump announced plans to violate several longstanding tenets of international law on Sunday morning during a controversial press conference celebrating the death of Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, legal experts say.

“We are leaving soldiers to secure the oil,” Trump said. “And we may have to fight for the oil. Maybe somebody else wants the oil, in which case they have a hell of a fight.”

“The oil is so valuable,” Trump added later during the press conference. “For many reasons. It fueled ISIS: number one. Number two: it helps the Kurds. Because it’s basically been taken away from the Kurds. They were able to live with that oil. And number three: it can help us because we should be able to take some also. And what I intend to do, perhaps, is make a deal with an Exxon Mobil, or one of our great companies, to go in there and do it properly. Right now it’s not big–it’s big oil
underground. But it’s not big oil up-top. Much of the machinery’s been shot and dead. It’s been through wars.”

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Experts previously dismissed Trump’s desire to expropriate the oil reserves of other countries as blatant violations of international law.

“In international law, you can’t take civilian goods or seize them. That would amount to a war crime,” Anthony Cordesman, the Arleigh Burke Chair in Strategy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told the Guardian during the 2016 presidential campaign. “Oil exports were almost the only Iraqi source of money. So you would have to pay for government salaries, maintain the army, and you have triggered a level of national animosity far worse than we did. It would be the worst kind of neo-colonialism. Not even Britain did that.”


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Trump's Plan to Take Syrian Oil Slammed as 'Clear Violation of International Law' and 'Imperial Loo (Original Post) babylonsister Oct 2019 OP
He IS an "imperial loo." The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #1
The USA has a long history of doing things like that. It's effed up. But, it's our history mucifer Oct 2019 #2
Please cite examples. And please don't legitimize Trump. triron Oct 2019 #3
The United Fruit Company and other events: mucifer Oct 2019 #6
Sorry but I prefer US gets the oil instead of ISIS at140 Oct 2019 #4
It is not your preference, nor mine unc70 Oct 2019 #8
Whose laws make it a war crime? at140 Oct 2019 #9
Geneva Conventions, Hague Regulations, ... unc70 Oct 2019 #10
Laws are powerless without enforcement power at140 Oct 2019 #11
Laws are the laws. You don't like them, you change them. Lock him up. Oct 2019 #16
Of course they did not FormerOstrich Oct 2019 #18
You can not be nice to terrorists! at140 Oct 2019 #19
I did not advocate niceness. FormerOstrich Oct 2019 #20
There is no gain in acting Geneva Legal when it comes at140 Oct 2019 #21
Sweet. Tell him Den Haag wants to give him a Lifetime Achievement award and he'll be there Tuesday. NightWatcher Oct 2019 #5
I'll bet anything that he will try to cut the Kurds out if we do steal the oil. world wide wally Oct 2019 #7
He started to say "I'd love their..." and he stopped himself. Someone must have told him it Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #12
Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #13
Welcome to DU, arsomartinera Hekate Oct 2019 #14
I don't think Syria really has a lot of oil, does it. (??) Captain Zero Oct 2019 #15
Link to an up-to-date map: Lock him up. Oct 2019 #17

at140

(6,110 posts)
4. Sorry but I prefer US gets the oil instead of ISIS
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 10:23 PM
Oct 2019

The oil will pay the enormous cost of fighting wars in middle-east.

unc70

(6,117 posts)
8. It is not your preference, nor mine
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 10:58 PM
Oct 2019

It is not our oil. Period. To take it by force is a war crime. Keeping ISIS from controlling the oil is a different matter.

at140

(6,110 posts)
9. Whose laws make it a war crime?
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 11:02 PM
Oct 2019

Who prosecuted Al Baghdadi for raping women and beheading men, a crime far far far far worse than taking oil to defray cost of maintaining order in the war crazy middle-east.

unc70

(6,117 posts)
10. Geneva Conventions, Hague Regulations, ...
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 11:23 PM
Oct 2019

Lots of different clauses, treaties, and implementing laws and regulations. Most with the force of law in the USA and most other countries.

at140

(6,110 posts)
11. Laws are powerless without enforcement power
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 11:46 PM
Oct 2019

Who has the military power and money to enforce Geneva convention?
Does Osama Bin Laden follow Geneva conventions?
Did Al Baghdadi follow Geneva conventions?
Why should we follow Geneva conventions when the enemy does not?

Lock him up.

(6,939 posts)
16. Laws are the laws. You don't like them, you change them.
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 02:11 AM
Oct 2019

But until they are changed according to due process, nobody is above them.

Otherwise you have total anarchy.

Bin Laden is dead.

The enemy not following Geneva conventions is not an excuse to break it (you can *risk* to be charged at The Hague).

at140

(6,110 posts)
19. You can not be nice to terrorists!
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 12:36 PM
Oct 2019

Turning the other cheek has never worked with religiously brainwashed fanatics who are willing to do suicide bombing.
The ONLY language they understand is brute force.

FormerOstrich

(2,703 posts)
20. I did not advocate niceness.
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 09:15 PM
Oct 2019

Once again, what would differentiate us from the terrorists if we stop following Geneva conventions and International Law?

at140

(6,110 posts)
21. There is no gain in acting Geneva Legal when it comes
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 12:00 AM
Oct 2019

to terrorists. They don't give a rat's behind if we followed Geneva conventions in fighting them.
They are brain washed to kill any one who does not believe in their prophet. Period.
Only method to stop them is kill them before they kill us, by whatever means which work.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
5. Sweet. Tell him Den Haag wants to give him a Lifetime Achievement award and he'll be there Tuesday.
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 10:26 PM
Oct 2019

The Hague can keep him for a few hundred years.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
12. He started to say "I'd love their..." and he stopped himself. Someone must have told him it
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 11:50 PM
Oct 2019

Was against the law.

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Captain Zero

(6,821 posts)
15. I don't think Syria really has a lot of oil, does it. (??)
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 01:47 AM
Oct 2019

Unless they have some they have annexed from Iraq.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought they were important mostly as being a ROUTE for Iraqi and Iranian oil to come up to Russia and Europe.

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