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H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 02:34 PM Oct 2019

What a Fool Believes

“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” – Soren Kierkegaard



We all knew him in high school. His name changes, but his face and personality remain the same. He might have been in your grade, or one above or below you. But you knew a Francis Buxton, the type of shit that would steal Pee-wee Herman's bike. Like most rich kids, he believed he was of a superior status to others.

When Matt Gaetz, fresh from graduating from law school, was pulled over driving his daddy's BMW while drunk, he displayed his superior attitude by refusing to take a breathalyzer test. Like the brat that you knew in high school, he was treated “differently” by the legal system. For boys will be boys, especially if they are from the “good old boys” club.

It's important to remember that the republicans are the kids that you couldn't stand in school. That's especially true when communicating with them. And so I was happy today to get copies of some messages between a person in Florida and Gus Bilirakis, their elected representative. A person that we have in this congressman's office sent it on to our head of operations in Florida, who then sent it to me. We've been targeting this guy since 2018, as we believe that a scandal that will “drop” next fall will severely damage him when it's too late for his party to replace him on the ballot.

Gus has served in the House since he won a seat in 2006. He could be mistaken for Gaetz's older brother. Their world views and voting records are remarkable similar. They both express loyalty to Trump, rather than the Constitution. The sources of Gus's campaign contributors is of particular interest to me, but that's another story.

The woman who wrote to his office to advocate for impeaching Trump sounds like a Democrat to me. Her identity is unimportant, so I will not include it here. But I shall quote from her correspondence with Gus. As noted, her original letter was simply focused on the current Trump-Ukraine scandal, and her expressing her belief that Congress needed to put nation before party.

Gus responded to her by noting the Democrats had been engaged in efforts to damage Trump since he won the 2016 election. Below is but part of his response:



“Since the beginning of the 116th Congress, Democrats have been on a mission to overturn the 2016 election. The Mueller report demonstrated there was no Russian collusion or obstruction by President Trump, and now Democrats have jumped to their next partisan accusation. Instead of working on legislating effective solutions for the American people, Democrats continue to pander to their base. The fact that Speaker Pelosi called for an impeachment inquiry even before the transcript between President Trump and the President Zelenskyy of Ukraine was released, demonstrates their willingness to disregard reason and fact. 
 
“President Trump’s willingness to be open and transparent by immediately releasing the transcript proves he did nothing wrong. President Trump made no threats and offered no “quid pro quo” tying President Zelenskyy’s revival of the Biden-related investigation to U.S. aid to Ukraine. Once again Democrats are smearing the President for political gain and dividing our great nation. 
 
“The founders did not contemplate the impeachment process as a tool to engage in partisan gamesmanship. If members of the House and Senate vote to impeach a president simply because they oppose his policies, this will set a bad precedent for future congresses and undermine the legitimacy of the electoral process.
 
“As your Representative, I am committed to the ideals of smaller government, lower taxes, and more freedom. President Trump has been an ally in this mission. He has kept his campaign promises by lowering taxes, growing the economy, bringing unemployment down to historic lows, making our military the best in the world, and securing our borders. With President Trump in the White House, my House colleagues and I were able to improve healthcare access to our Veterans, combat the opioid crisis, and lower prescription drug prices. I firmly believe that Congress and the White House should work to effectively enact laws that will benefit all Americans without partisan poison pills.”


He ended with a promise to keep her support of Trump in mind while he worked with republicans to save Trump's ass. The lady's response was outstanding. Our contact in Gus's office has shared it with the staff of several other republican congressmen who are undecided about if it is safer to support or dump Trump. I think that you will enjoy it, as there is no need to read between the lines to determine if she supports Trump:



“Mr. Bilirakis,

“I can see where you're heading.  Democrats (myself included) are not interested on overturning 2016.  That's a lie, plain and simple.  But you do know that right?  We are interested in protecting the United States Constitution, which trump completely disregards and apparently so do you.  Did you even look to see what my party affiliation was before you sent this irrational missive?

“Trump is not "willing to be open and transparent".  He's stonewalling every subpoena or request for information.  He has never turned over the complete Mueller investigation report.  Just the whitewashed Barr version which was damning enough.  He is not an exceptional leader -- seriously?  What color is the sky in your world?  He's a danger to national security.  The worst danger this country has ever faced.  That is why he is being impeached.   But you know that.  Why did you send me an email full of lies?

“I do not support trump's policies and practices.  I find him repulsive personally and professionally.  I haven't been able to find a single redeeming quality in him and believe me I've tried.

“Your entire email is insulting and disingenuous.  You do NOT represent me.  I am ashamed of you.  If you had a modicum of good sense you would be ashamed of yourself.  But since you're promoting trump's deplorable agenda you probably don't have much sense, do you?  Either that or you think I am stupid.  Or perhaps you are a fantasist who actually believes what you wrote below.  What an awful thought.  If so please seek psychiatric help asap. 

“Please NEVER write to me again.  I'm going to do my best to forget your name and the unfortunate fact that you are/were my representative.      

“Please do share my thoughts with your colleagues.  That should be good for a laugh.”


Ignoring her request that he not contact her again, poor Gus wrote:



“Thank you for contacting me to share your support for impeaching President Donald Trump. I appreciate hearing from you.
 
“First and foremost, allow me to sincerely apologize for the mistake made in the letter sent to you in response to the impeachment inquiry into the President. At the time your letter arrived, I was also receiving numerous letters from those who were writing in with different views on the inquiry. Your letter was inadvertently sorted into this group of mail. While I pay very close attention to the mail I receive, when I receive hundreds of letters a week, sometimes over three thousand letters in a busy week, it is possible for mistakes to occur. Nevertheless, I appreciate you contacting me regarding this important issue and I hope to hear from you in the future as well”


Her simple response was classic:


“So when Republicans write to you, you lie to them.  But when a Democrat writes to you, you prevaricate.  Nice. “


I hope that you enjoy this as much as I do. Updates to come.

Peace,
H2O Man

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What a Fool Believes (Original Post) H2O Man Oct 2019 OP
OMG, I Love Whoever That Person/Dem Is Me. Oct 2019 #1
I do, too. H2O Man Oct 2019 #14
This Me. Oct 2019 #21
I can certainly see why you like her letter! lunatica Oct 2019 #2
Right! H2O Man Oct 2019 #15
It's hard to process that people are that stupid malaise Oct 2019 #3
stupid or evil? Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #6
How About A Two-fer? Me. Oct 2019 #12
yep, The Dumbest Don is infested with evil Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #13
It really is EndlessWire Oct 2019 #10
You know what is even more disturbing malaise Oct 2019 #11
You just wait H2O Man Oct 2019 #16
Great post! WA-03 Democrat Oct 2019 #4
Thank you! H2O Man Oct 2019 #17
Kick lunatica Oct 2019 #5
Even if our reps are GOP coeur_de_lion Oct 2019 #7
Yes. H2O Man Oct 2019 #18
I remember this great song being played on the radio when it came out in 1973. John1956PA Oct 2019 #27
K&R...👍🏼 spanone Oct 2019 #8
Thank you! H2O Man Oct 2019 #19
The scary thing is I have come to believe that Republicans believe this Fox BS defense of Trump. Fox Pepsidog Oct 2019 #9
True. H2O Man Oct 2019 #20
Smart Lady! burrowowl Oct 2019 #22
Right! H2O Man Oct 2019 #25
My dear H20 Man! CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2019 #23
Thank you! H2O Man Oct 2019 #26
Kick dalton99a Oct 2019 #24

Me.

(35,454 posts)
1. OMG, I Love Whoever That Person/Dem Is
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 03:20 PM
Oct 2019

Such a great response/s and so revealing. These types of letters should be written to our reps each and every day. I'd write one to my rep. but it's Nadler and he already knows how I feel.

KR

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
14. I do, too.
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 09:19 PM
Oct 2019

We need more citizens like her.

Rep. Nadler is someone I have great respect for. I may send him a thank you card soon. I never hesitate to contact elected representatives outside my district. I've admired him for many years, and I tell my children that he is one of the most intelligent, decent politicians I've ever seen.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
15. Right!
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 09:21 PM
Oct 2019

I like people who express themselves in a manner that doesn't require reading between the lines to understand. I'm also fond of those who communicate in a manner where one can read between the lines. Probably my greatest strength, that. (grin)

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,331 posts)
6. stupid or evil?
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 04:15 PM
Oct 2019

I define evil as deliberately causing harm for personal gratification. I think a lot of Republicans fit.

EndlessWire

(6,519 posts)
10. It really is
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 05:52 PM
Oct 2019

I continue to be stunned at the number of alleged adults that are acting like Trump is a King or something. The number of idiots has risen sharply under Trump. And, I find it absolutely appalling that they do not seem to understand that our Democracy is vanishing under Trump.

malaise

(268,963 posts)
11. You know what is even more disturbing
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 06:09 PM
Oct 2019

These same people claim to believe in the Constitution and liberal democratic values.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
16. You just wait
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 09:24 PM
Oct 2019

until you are my age! You'll have no problem processing just how fucking stupid some folks are. But what is more a mystery -- even at my advanced age -- is that they keep getting elected. A herd of cattle has better judgement in selecting leadership qualities.

Thanks!

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
17. Thank you!
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 09:26 PM
Oct 2019

I think that as much of life that can be fun should be fun. And while we face some very serious work in the next year, and much of it will be hard, we can have fun in doing it.

coeur_de_lion

(3,676 posts)
7. Even if our reps are GOP
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 04:32 PM
Oct 2019

I think it’s important to express our opinions to them or they live in a bubble of Fox News bullshit.

Thank you for sharing this edifying exchange Waterman.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
18. Yes.
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 09:32 PM
Oct 2019

In many ways, it is at very least as important as communicating with those you support. Because in the end, it can only be a movement coming from the public that can institute serious change.


Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
9. The scary thing is I have come to believe that Republicans believe this Fox BS defense of Trump. Fox
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 05:12 PM
Oct 2019

and Murdochs are the enemy. Every Democratic representative should be calling out Murdochs by name. Shaming them for how they have divided the country by spreading misinformation for decades creating an kit if touch, ignorant party of fools.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
20. True.
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 09:36 PM
Oct 2019

That is such an important point. Many of them actually believe the things they are spouting off about. And that is important to keep in mind not only today, but for years in the future. Because important social changes take time, including the time some of them will require to change their thinking. And as Minister Malcolm X taught, if you want to change people's behaviors, you must first change their mind.

Not all of them will change, of course. Indeed, many of them lack the capacity to change.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
25. Right!
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 12:08 AM
Oct 2019

I get the feeling that it would be difficult to win any argument with her, especially if you were as wrong as the congressman.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,595 posts)
23. My dear H20 Man!
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 11:29 PM
Oct 2019

Thank you for bringing us this wonderful woman and her story. I am glad she lives and is this intelligent.

I look forward to the updates.

And I'm smiling...

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
26. Thank you!
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 12:18 AM
Oct 2019

There is power in individuals dedicated to the political process. And it is great that we can find inspiration in the actions of other citizen activists. I'm always impressed when people like this lady are engaged in setting their elected representatives straight.

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