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Why did Mueller wear such soft gloves in this investigation? (Original Post) dajoki Oct 2019 OP
Under threat? 2naSalit Oct 2019 #1
Did what was possible, as long as possible, given the political realties of the situation? empedocles Oct 2019 #2
Seems to me like being a repug was more important than getting to the facts. lark Oct 2019 #3
This Cosmocat Oct 2019 #5
The fact that the probe was shut down a month after Barr came in is, IMO, not unrelated. brush Oct 2019 #4
I also believe barr shut it down... dajoki Oct 2019 #6
He is a civil servant philf99 Oct 2019 #7
His gloves were... Mike Nelson Oct 2019 #8
I struggle to try and characterize the puzzle named Mueller. I am not smart enough nor Ninga Oct 2019 #9
Scratch almost any Republican ... GeorgeGist Oct 2019 #10
I think there has been a struggle with the process since day one. kentuck Oct 2019 #11
The repubs had a two year... dajoki Oct 2019 #19
I would agree... kentuck Oct 2019 #23
I recall that it was because compelling them would have bogged down the investigation... cynatnite Oct 2019 #12
I don't think he wore soft gloves. I think he didn't finish. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #13
And why were all the plea deals done? This seems a mystery to me unless Mueller quit early triron Oct 2019 #20
Quit early. It simply looks that way. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #21
Because maybe that's all he was provided? GoCubsGo Oct 2019 #14
Because, unlike Ken Starr, his hands were tied by Barr... real Cannabis calm Oct 2019 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #16
Why? Because at the end of the day Bettie Oct 2019 #17
Silly. H2O Man Oct 2019 #18
Don Jr. knew. The story line that it would be difficults to convince a jury is just that. triron Oct 2019 #22

2naSalit

(86,822 posts)
1. Under threat?
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 10:53 AM
Oct 2019

Maybe he was threatened? He seemed kind of shaken when he testified before Congress. I think he was threatened, or his family or..?

lark

(23,160 posts)
3. Seems to me like being a repug was more important than getting to the facts.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 10:56 AM
Oct 2019

Of course he could have been vetoed often by Rosenstein and is lying about that. but think in the end he was a repug more than he was American.

Cosmocat

(14,575 posts)
5. This
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 11:05 AM
Oct 2019

agreed.

Upon crossing the line to being an R/conservative there is this thing where there is a total detestation of the liberals.

Justifies any and all words and actions.

Had it been a D POTUS, he would have been FAR more aggressive and dogged.

Just sort of clocked it cause it was the home team for him.

brush

(53,920 posts)
4. The fact that the probe was shut down a month after Barr came in is, IMO, not unrelated.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 11:04 AM
Oct 2019

Mueller had asked for funding into September of 2019 which indicates he had more work to do and witnesses to call. That changed and the report was delivered to Barr in March 2019.

Something happened to cut six months off the time Mueller had asked funding for. Apparently it was Barr.

Still though Mueller should've, IMO, had the courage to indict trump on the 10 instances of obstruction of justice he outlined in part two of the report.

dajoki

(10,678 posts)
6. I also believe barr shut it down...
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 11:11 AM
Oct 2019

and he should have indicted illegitimate, but I still think there is evidence of conspiracy and if it wasn't for all of the obstruction and cutting the investigation short we would have known more.

philf99

(238 posts)
7. He is a civil servant
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 11:13 AM
Oct 2019

And believes in department rules and regulations.

Not sure what else could be expected from him

Ninga

(8,277 posts)
9. I struggle to try and characterize the puzzle named Mueller. I am not smart enough nor
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 11:35 AM
Oct 2019

networked into DC to ever have a clue.

Still, I am bothered by how steely and non engaged he was during the hearing.

Moreover, I am bothered by the drip drip of bits like the unsealed order that demonstrates he appeared to stop at waters edge...as if he wasn’t interested.

Because if he were interested, he would have reached into his tool box.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
11. I think there has been a struggle with the process since day one.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 01:00 PM
Oct 2019

The Repubs agreed to his appointment because they thought they could control and manipulate whatever might be discovered. Likewise, the Democrats tried to load up the investigation with those looking for more aggressive oversight. It appears to have been 2 1/2 years wasted.

dajoki

(10,678 posts)
19. The repubs had a two year...
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 05:13 PM
Oct 2019

head start with their coverup. Once we took over the house we had a lot of obstruction to deal with.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
23. I would agree...
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 07:01 PM
Oct 2019

Democrats did not have much to say about it as the minority. They felt lucky to have gotten to the mid term elections? Even then, he shut down the government for the first 35 days.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
12. I recall that it was because compelling them would have bogged down the investigation...
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 01:03 PM
Oct 2019

They would have gone to court which would have taken a while.

 

TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
13. I don't think he wore soft gloves. I think he didn't finish.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 01:05 PM
Oct 2019

Some of the people he nabbed were not small.

triron

(22,025 posts)
20. And why were all the plea deals done? This seems a mystery to me unless Mueller quit early
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 06:46 PM
Oct 2019

for a reason we will probably never know.

 

TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
21. Quit early. It simply looks that way.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 06:52 PM
Oct 2019

Reading his report tells me he quit, for one reason or another. He was an ass kicking machine throughout most of it.

GoCubsGo

(32,095 posts)
14. Because maybe that's all he was provided?
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 01:07 PM
Oct 2019

And, ill-fitting ones, at that. Maybe he knew that forcing Junior and McGahn to testify would be a complete and utter waste of time. I seem to recall that they made it known they were going to plead the 5th Amendment. What's the point in making them come in to testify, when you know they're either not going to say anything, or that they're going to lie? This is all old news.

Response to dajoki (Original post)

Bettie

(16,130 posts)
17. Why? Because at the end of the day
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 03:28 PM
Oct 2019

he is a Republican and a guy who follows orders.

It really is as simple as that.

He chose party over country, which makes you wonder, if the report he did actually produce is that damning, what did he bury?

H2O Man

(73,627 posts)
18. Silly.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 04:08 PM
Oct 2019

Mr. O'Brien has insight on some issues, but his ignorance is glaring here.

Donald Jr.'s lawyer told Team Mueller that they would take the 5th, both if questioned in the prosecutor's office, or in front of a grand jury. More, the potential crime he might have been charged with stands alone in federal law -- a person must be aware that they are breaking the law. Thus, by saying -- correctly or not -- that he was not aware, Junior skates unless the prosecutor in a trial has a better than 90% chance of proving otherwise. Perhaps Mr. O'Brien thinks a prosecutor could maintain a straight face while telling a jury that Junior was wise to the ways of the law and elections.

McGhan's testimony to the investigators was 100% about Trump's obstruction of justice as president. This DoJ goes by a "rule" that a sitting president cannot be indicted. In the past 75 years, there has been but one person who disagreed -- Ken Starr wanted to prosecute President Clinton for lying about something that about 50% of adults in divorce court lie about, and that has never been considered grounds for prosecution. While I would like to see a federal prosecutor challenge this in court -- it definitely isn't in the Constitution, as as Spiro Agnew learned, doesn't apply to vice presidents (or federal judges) -- the Mueller Team recognized from the start that the Trump DoJ would never allow them to charge Trump. Hence, there was absolutely no more reason to bring McGhan in front of the grand jury, than there was to bring Junior.

Mr. Mueller correctly pointed out that it was up to the House of Representatives to move forward on this. It's sadly obvious, and not only in O'Brien's case, but many on the internet, that few read the Mueller Report, and even fewer understood it.

triron

(22,025 posts)
22. Don Jr. knew. The story line that it would be difficults to convince a jury is just that.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 06:57 PM
Oct 2019

Not sure I buy the reason that McGahn wasn't forced to testify before the Grand Jury.

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