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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsToobin, re: HRC emails- "As a journalist, I regret my role in blowing this story out of proportion."
Link to tweet
Jeffrey Toobin ✔ @JeffreyToobin
Note the mostly buried news that State Dept closed @HillaryClinton email probe with this verdict: no big deal. As a journalist, I regret my role in blowing this story out of proportion.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/us/politics/state-dept-inquiry-clinton-emails.html?searchResultPosition=1
8:58 AM - Oct 21, 2019
There's a lot more behind him that should also fess up...
Funtatlaguy
(10,889 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,765 posts)Baltimike
(4,148 posts)dajoki
(10,678 posts)spanone
(135,892 posts)Polly Hennessey
(6,809 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,631 posts)"commentator", whose pathetic boot-licking of Chump would make Baghdad Bob blush.
LakeArenal
(28,855 posts)And he proceeded to contribute the complete horse shit that he his.
Hopefully they put him on so others could smack that shit back at him. Which She (sorry I was too gobsmacked to catch her name) Which She did very well.
If that happens every time I can live with that.
LakeArenal
(28,855 posts)Little bit late MFer.
Cha
(297,774 posts)so many are NOT.
Cha
(297,774 posts)I wish it were exaggeration.
dalton99a
(81,635 posts)still_one
(92,435 posts)Botany
(70,597 posts)He might not have known he spewing Russian propaganda in order to hurt Hillary
but that is exactly what he did but he did know at the time "Hillary's email problem"
was made being pushed by the GOP and it was bullshit.
I hope Toobin can find peace in his money and material belongings.
Botany
(70,597 posts)HRC and all of us had the Presidency stolen and all now 3 years too late
Toobin is trying to come clean? Toobin, the NY Times, and the Washington Post
all knew that the Hillary email/email server was made up to hurt Hillary and
that Russia was amplified the story on social media.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/kevin-mccarthys-truthful-gaffe/2015/09/30/f12a9fac-67a8-11e5-8325-a42b5a459b1e_story.html
The Benghazi Investigation morphed into Hillary's emails and that morphed into Hillary's email server.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)The Times would have to admit error, and that simply isn't done. I'm glad the scales have fallen from Toobin's eyes at long last, but the questions hang in the air: What are you going to do to correct your mistake, and what steps are you taking right now, today, to avoid doing it in the future?
dajoki
(10,678 posts)Botany
(70,597 posts).. of the 2016 election and then she smuggled it to Benghazi and then onto the Ukraine.
triron
(22,025 posts)Baltimike
(4,148 posts)because FUCK that...and FUCK YOU TOOBIN.
paleotn
(17,989 posts)dead Kurds or immigrant children in cages don't really care about your regret.
mcar
(42,390 posts)In the meantime, NYT put the story on page A16.
Paladin
(28,276 posts)But I'm not holding my breath.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)They all are guilty of destroying an innocent woman, while lifting up a mobbed-up crook. Get on the Sunday shows, and shout this from the rafters, if they will allow it.
denvine
(802 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 21, 2019, 11:12 AM - Edit history (1)
Take your regrets and shove them up your _______!!! You should have done your homework before blowing it our of proportion. Damage is done!
dlk
(11,578 posts)Somehow, their buyers' remorse comes across as too little, too late and our country may never recover. Hope the sexism was worth it.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)What Trump WAS has been out there for years. Only the "middle Americans," who were totally busy making ends meet 24/7, apparently knew him only from the "Apprentice" during their few relaxing TV hours (at least, that would be my guess as to his "base" .
Tarc
(10,476 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)that has been going on for 30 fucking years and democrats better wake the fuck up
malaise
(269,208 posts)should have posted this - fuck them all and fuck the NYT for page 16
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Apology is not good enough.
I suggest you enumerate how your sloppy careerism helped get Trump elected.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)...the Hillary-Tulsi media feeding frenzy happening now.
catbyte
(34,473 posts)Perseus
(4,341 posts)"Think Before You Act"...If any of them would have done that they would have not given the creature so much airtime and paper space.
They all know they screwed up, even that asshole from the TV channel who said "the creature is good for business, bring it on!", but most of them remain quiet with their guilt inside, some of them get to a point where they need to apologize because I am sure it is burning them inside.
AJT
(5,240 posts)major news papers, and the lead story on cable and national news stations. But it was on page 20 something of NYT and not mentioned on national news broadcasts.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)I guess Toobin will say something on CNN.
Yeah, Jeffrey, we all regret all of the cheap shots you took. Now everyone is paying for it.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 21, 2019, 05:29 PM - Edit history (1)
apologized. She should have at least mounted a defense. Remember a career IT manager on NPR one time...saying that everyone was looking at it through the lens of today. Yet there were many years when no one knew anything and just relied on IT to handle it all. In addition, the system was like Bill's. Who would have thought a system set up for an ex-president in a physical location guarded by SS would not be good enough for her.
My only point was that she didn't explain and treat the allegations as crazy talk.
Fight back.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Ok.
unblock
(52,352 posts)because my guess is that if she had said "these allegations are crazy", republicans and the media would have excoriated her for not taking a "national security" matter seriously, for trying to "duck from responsibility", from trying to "undermine or evade congressional investigations".
there is *nothing* she could have said that would have led the media to start reporting the ridiculously bloody obvious story that it was all a blatant smear and wildly out of proportion to anything relevant to the election, particularly when compared to the national security and legal disaster that is donnie.
the reasonable arguments and explanations and defenses were out there. it's not like no one defended her. it's not like *she* didn't defend herself. it only *seems* that way because the media said, "yeah, yeah", and then just reported more republican gossip about emails.
they had zero interest in making the story go away, even if they fully understood there was nothing real there.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)as ridiculous. Too ridiculous to even discuss. No apologies. Just laugh it off. It is actually very effective. And even more so in an information overload era. As opposed to apologizing...which leaves you wide open. I heard Hillary explain very early on. Then she opted for the "I am sorry strategy." In a former environment, this might have worked. But the rationale was very strong. Kept hoping she would explain. Along with repeating over and over that no one hacked anything ever, might have helped. And had her supporters doing the same thing.
But we shall never know. We DO know the way it was handled DIDN'T work. GOP can make an issue of a tan suit. But sticking with a sound strategy that works should mitigate.
unblock
(52,352 posts)She started out by ignoring it, with others dismissing it as a nothing-burger.
Then she was criticized for letting the scandal grow unanswered.
Then she did what you said, explaining it as standard practice, what previous Secretaries of State has done.
The media pretty much ignored this defense. Powell and rice were out of office, not running for anything, so who cares.
There was a lengthy public debate about whether she should apologize and acknowledge any mistakes. She resisted for a long time but eventually went with the limited apology, after the media largely suggested this would make the scandal go away.
Of course it didn't.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Work/business even though it wasn't against rules and other SOSs had done too. Think what compounded the matter was Benghazi. And that they didn't turn over all the emails at once...
Bottom line the whole thing was a cluster and it could have been handled much differently. Personally think it added to a distrust that many voters couldn't shake.
OnDoutside
(19,977 posts)DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Just look at government employee email history and media bias against the Clintons. The George W. Bush administration started out using a RNC email server as a way around the Presidential records act and when that was exposed the server "accidentally" got wiped clean, deleting some 22 million emails, and there was no backup. And it didn't end there. Both Colin Powell and Condi Rice used private email. All were 1 day stories but Hillary's was a 6 year story. Same with Benghazi - only Clinton was hounded by the media. Other similar incidents have happened and they have been 1-2 day stories - for instance the 4 soldiers killed in ambush in Africa in a place we didn't even know we had soldiers stationed.
But the double standard doesn't end there. Just look at the manufactured firestorm surrounding Obama's preacher and the black Cambridge professor that was arrested trying to push open a sticky door to his home and how Obama was savaged for being anti-police. Both should have been non-stories but both caused political damage. The one thing we can be sure of going forward is that this double standard is still firmly in place, thanks to corporate media that determines what gets covered and how.
Leith
(7,813 posts)What is he going to do to make it right? (This is a slight paraphrase of the tweet I left.)
He needs to get out there publicly, grab a megaphone, and do everything he possibly can to set the story straight.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)doing their best to smear Hillary. Toobin is due for a karmic adjustment and I wish to see it happen to him and every other liar involved.
Phuk off Toobin.
Gothmog
(145,635 posts)Link to tweet
In January 2018, Toobin made similar remarks in a podcast with comedian Larry Wilmore. I think there was a lot of false equivalence in the 2016 campaign," said Toobin back then. "That every time we said something, pointed out something about Donald Trump whether it was his business interests, or grab em by the p---y, we felt like, Oh, we gotta, like, talk about we gotta say something bad about Hillary. And I think it led to a sense of false equivalence that was misleading, and I regret my role in doing that.
For both of his meae culpae, Toobin has received applause from media-watchers. After all, not all pundits, editors and correspondents offer honest reflection of this sort.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,628 posts)I want to hear her apologize.