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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 09:07 AM Oct 2019

Toobin, re: HRC emails- "As a journalist, I regret my role in blowing this story out of proportion."



Jeffrey Toobin ✔ @JeffreyToobin

Note the mostly buried news that State Dept closed @HillaryClinton email probe with this verdict: no big deal. As a journalist, I regret my role in blowing this story out of proportion.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/us/politics/state-dept-inquiry-clinton-emails.html?searchResultPosition=1

8:58 AM - Oct 21, 2019


There's a lot more behind him that should also fess up...
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Toobin, re: HRC emails- "As a journalist, I regret my role in blowing this story out of proportion." (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Oct 2019 OP
They use bothsideism that was actually false equivalency. Funtatlaguy Oct 2019 #1
+1 Baitball Blogger Oct 2019 #3
This...and refused to look at ACTUAL FACTS so they could enable it. nt Baltimike Oct 2019 #12
And they still are n/t dajoki Oct 2019 #39
+ 1. iluvtennis Oct 2019 #49
Jeffrey, a REAL journalist wouldn't blow anything out of proportion. spanone Oct 2019 #2
Jerk. Polly Hennessey Oct 2019 #4
And then CNN debuts that complete POS Sean Duffy as their latest bullwinkle428 Oct 2019 #5
Didn't he call him a contributor? LakeArenal Oct 2019 #8
Yeah, Jeff, you and the world regret you blowing it out of proportion. LakeArenal Oct 2019 #6
+1 c-rational Oct 2019 #19
Thanks for admitting it Toobin unlike Cha Oct 2019 #7
+1 c-rational Oct 2019 #20
Great meme treestar Oct 2019 #36
Aloha, treestar! Cha Oct 2019 #37
I guess nobody taught him the concept of proportionality at Harvard or his prep school dalton99a Oct 2019 #9
+1 c-rational Oct 2019 #22
F**K YOU TOOBIN. still_one Oct 2019 #10
+1 c-rational Oct 2019 #23
Toobin knew exactly what he was doing .... he is a smart man. Botany Oct 2019 #11
+1 c-rational Oct 2019 #24
And the apology from the NY Times will be coming when? Botany Oct 2019 #31
An apology from the New York Times? How about never; does that work for you? gratuitous Oct 2019 #34
And now it's the DNC server in Ukraine n/t dajoki Oct 2019 #40
And that server was part of Hillary's rigging... Botany Oct 2019 #57
And the Clinton Foundation BS. triron Oct 2019 #51
Then RESIGN at once and never practice again. nt Baltimike Oct 2019 #13
+1 c-rational Oct 2019 #25
I don't think.... paleotn Oct 2019 #14
+1 c-rational Oct 2019 #26
He has the good grace and sense of professionalism to at least offer regrets mcar Oct 2019 #15
Waiting for your apologies, Chuck Todd and Andrea Mitchell. Paladin Oct 2019 #16
Too little, too late. Scarsdale Oct 2019 #17
+1 c-rational Oct 2019 #27
Too late asshole! denvine Oct 2019 #18
+1 c-rational Oct 2019 #28
Toobin, as other "Reputable" journalists, did their part to give us Trump dlk Oct 2019 #21
+1 c-rational Oct 2019 #29
"Journalists," such as Toobin should NOT have needed to do any homework on Trump. maddiemom Oct 2019 #33
He should be the first of many to come out with this take. Tarc Oct 2019 #30
he was one of many. the real problem is letting 1500 radio stations give it the buzz to enable it certainot Oct 2019 #32
M$Greedia and their hacks malaise Oct 2019 #35
FU Toobin. zentrum Oct 2019 #38
Hope he's getting his ass handed to him on Twitter nt redqueen Oct 2019 #41
Wish a bunch of them would say the same about... JaneQPublic Oct 2019 #42
Like they said on Seinfeld: catbyte Oct 2019 #43
I would be OK with those apologies if from now on they would get away from sensationalism Perseus Oct 2019 #44
The state department story should have been on the front page of all AJT Oct 2019 #45
Just a tweet? Really? Politicub Oct 2019 #46
But she didn't really defend herself much either. She Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #47
Lol StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #50
please tell us all what should could have said that would have eliminated right-wing media bias. unblock Oct 2019 #53
It's the technique of automatically dismissing an allegation Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #58
Not the way I recall it. unblock Oct 2019 #60
She apologized in 2015. For having a separate server Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #61
Oh, that's alright then..... OnDoutside Oct 2019 #48
Part Of The Double Standard DallasNE Oct 2019 #52
+1000 unblock Oct 2019 #54
Oh, how nice Leith Oct 2019 #55
Like I give a shit about anyone who regrets lunatica Oct 2019 #56
Opinion: CNN's Jeffrey Toobin -- again -- expresses regret for his Clinton email coverage Gothmog Oct 2019 #59
Paging Andrea Mitchell! fleur-de-lisa Oct 2019 #62
REGRET - Not Good Enough flying-skeleton Oct 2019 #63

bullwinkle428

(20,631 posts)
5. And then CNN debuts that complete POS Sean Duffy as their latest
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 09:24 AM
Oct 2019

"commentator", whose pathetic boot-licking of Chump would make Baghdad Bob blush.

LakeArenal

(28,855 posts)
8. Didn't he call him a contributor?
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 09:32 AM
Oct 2019

And he proceeded to contribute the complete horse shit that he his.

Hopefully they put him on so others could smack that shit back at him. Which She (sorry I was too gobsmacked to catch her name) Which She did very well.

If that happens every time I can live with that.

Botany

(70,597 posts)
11. Toobin knew exactly what he was doing .... he is a smart man.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 09:37 AM
Oct 2019

He might not have known he spewing Russian propaganda in order to hurt Hillary
but that is exactly what he did but he did know at the time "Hillary's email problem"
was made being pushed by the GOP and it was bullshit.

I hope Toobin can find peace in his money and material belongings.

Botany

(70,597 posts)
31. And the apology from the NY Times will be coming when?
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 10:46 AM
Oct 2019

HRC and all of us had the Presidency stolen and all now 3 years too late
Toobin is trying to come clean? Toobin, the NY Times, and the Washington Post
all knew that the Hillary email/email server was made up to hurt Hillary and
that Russia was amplified the story on social media.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/kevin-mccarthys-truthful-gaffe/2015/09/30/f12a9fac-67a8-11e5-8325-a42b5a459b1e_story.html

The Benghazi Investigation morphed into Hillary's emails and that morphed into Hillary's email server.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
34. An apology from the New York Times? How about never; does that work for you?
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 10:52 AM
Oct 2019

The Times would have to admit error, and that simply isn't done. I'm glad the scales have fallen from Toobin's eyes at long last, but the questions hang in the air: What are you going to do to correct your mistake, and what steps are you taking right now, today, to avoid doing it in the future?

Botany

(70,597 posts)
57. And that server was part of Hillary's rigging...
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 01:00 PM
Oct 2019

.. of the 2016 election and then she smuggled it to Benghazi and then onto the Ukraine.

mcar

(42,390 posts)
15. He has the good grace and sense of professionalism to at least offer regrets
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 10:06 AM
Oct 2019

In the meantime, NYT put the story on page A16.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
17. Too little, too late.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 10:10 AM
Oct 2019

They all are guilty of destroying an innocent woman, while lifting up a mobbed-up crook. Get on the Sunday shows, and shout this from the rafters, if they will allow it.

denvine

(802 posts)
18. Too late asshole!
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 10:14 AM
Oct 2019

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Take your regrets and shove them up your _______!!! You should have done your homework before blowing it our of proportion. Damage is done!

dlk

(11,578 posts)
21. Toobin, as other "Reputable" journalists, did their part to give us Trump
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 10:30 AM
Oct 2019

Somehow, their buyers' remorse comes across as too little, too late and our country may never recover. Hope the sexism was worth it.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
33. "Journalists," such as Toobin should NOT have needed to do any homework on Trump.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 10:50 AM
Oct 2019

What Trump WAS has been out there for years. Only the "middle Americans," who were totally busy making ends meet 24/7, apparently knew him only from the "Apprentice" during their few relaxing TV hours (at least, that would be my guess as to his "base&quot .

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
32. he was one of many. the real problem is letting 1500 radio stations give it the buzz to enable it
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 10:49 AM
Oct 2019

that has been going on for 30 fucking years and democrats better wake the fuck up

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
38. FU Toobin.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 11:03 AM
Oct 2019

Apology is not good enough.

I suggest you enumerate how your sloppy careerism helped get Trump elected.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
44. I would be OK with those apologies if from now on they would get away from sensationalism
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 11:26 AM
Oct 2019

"Think Before You Act"...If any of them would have done that they would have not given the creature so much airtime and paper space.

They all know they screwed up, even that asshole from the TV channel who said "the creature is good for business, bring it on!", but most of them remain quiet with their guilt inside, some of them get to a point where they need to apologize because I am sure it is burning them inside.

AJT

(5,240 posts)
45. The state department story should have been on the front page of all
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 11:27 AM
Oct 2019

major news papers, and the lead story on cable and national news stations. But it was on page 20 something of NYT and not mentioned on national news broadcasts.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
46. Just a tweet? Really?
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 11:36 AM
Oct 2019

I guess Toobin will say something on CNN.

Yeah, Jeffrey, we all regret all of the cheap shots you took. Now everyone is paying for it.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
47. But she didn't really defend herself much either. She
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 11:45 AM
Oct 2019

Last edited Mon Oct 21, 2019, 05:29 PM - Edit history (1)

apologized. She should have at least mounted a defense. Remember a career IT manager on NPR one time...saying that everyone was looking at it through the lens of today. Yet there were many years when no one knew anything and just relied on IT to handle it all. In addition, the system was like Bill's. Who would have thought a system set up for an ex-president in a physical location guarded by SS would not be good enough for her.

My only point was that she didn't explain and treat the allegations as crazy talk.

Fight back.

unblock

(52,352 posts)
53. please tell us all what should could have said that would have eliminated right-wing media bias.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 12:16 PM
Oct 2019

because my guess is that if she had said "these allegations are crazy", republicans and the media would have excoriated her for not taking a "national security" matter seriously, for trying to "duck from responsibility", from trying to "undermine or evade congressional investigations".


there is *nothing* she could have said that would have led the media to start reporting the ridiculously bloody obvious story that it was all a blatant smear and wildly out of proportion to anything relevant to the election, particularly when compared to the national security and legal disaster that is donnie.

the reasonable arguments and explanations and defenses were out there. it's not like no one defended her. it's not like *she* didn't defend herself. it only *seems* that way because the media said, "yeah, yeah", and then just reported more republican gossip about emails.

they had zero interest in making the story go away, even if they fully understood there was nothing real there.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
58. It's the technique of automatically dismissing an allegation
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 01:50 PM
Oct 2019

as ridiculous. Too ridiculous to even discuss. No apologies. Just laugh it off. It is actually very effective. And even more so in an information overload era. As opposed to apologizing...which leaves you wide open. I heard Hillary explain very early on. Then she opted for the "I am sorry strategy." In a former environment, this might have worked. But the rationale was very strong. Kept hoping she would explain. Along with repeating over and over that no one hacked anything ever, might have helped. And had her supporters doing the same thing.

But we shall never know. We DO know the way it was handled DIDN'T work. GOP can make an issue of a tan suit. But sticking with a sound strategy that works should mitigate.

unblock

(52,352 posts)
60. Not the way I recall it.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 02:18 PM
Oct 2019

She started out by ignoring it, with others dismissing it as a nothing-burger.

Then she was criticized for letting the scandal grow unanswered.

Then she did what you said, explaining it as standard practice, what previous Secretaries of State has done.

The media pretty much ignored this defense. Powell and rice were out of office, not running for anything, so who cares.

There was a lengthy public debate about whether she should apologize and acknowledge any mistakes. She resisted for a long time but eventually went with the limited apology, after the media largely suggested this would make the scandal go away.

Of course it didn't.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
61. She apologized in 2015. For having a separate server
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 04:41 PM
Oct 2019

Work/business even though it wasn't against rules and other SOSs had done too. Think what compounded the matter was Benghazi. And that they didn't turn over all the emails at once...

Bottom line the whole thing was a cluster and it could have been handled much differently. Personally think it added to a distrust that many voters couldn't shake.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
52. Part Of The Double Standard
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 12:07 PM
Oct 2019

Just look at government employee email history and media bias against the Clintons. The George W. Bush administration started out using a RNC email server as a way around the Presidential records act and when that was exposed the server "accidentally" got wiped clean, deleting some 22 million emails, and there was no backup. And it didn't end there. Both Colin Powell and Condi Rice used private email. All were 1 day stories but Hillary's was a 6 year story. Same with Benghazi - only Clinton was hounded by the media. Other similar incidents have happened and they have been 1-2 day stories - for instance the 4 soldiers killed in ambush in Africa in a place we didn't even know we had soldiers stationed.

But the double standard doesn't end there. Just look at the manufactured firestorm surrounding Obama's preacher and the black Cambridge professor that was arrested trying to push open a sticky door to his home and how Obama was savaged for being anti-police. Both should have been non-stories but both caused political damage. The one thing we can be sure of going forward is that this double standard is still firmly in place, thanks to corporate media that determines what gets covered and how.

Leith

(7,813 posts)
55. Oh, how nice
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 12:23 PM
Oct 2019

What is he going to do to make it right? (This is a slight paraphrase of the tweet I left.)

He needs to get out there publicly, grab a megaphone, and do everything he possibly can to set the story straight.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
56. Like I give a shit about anyone who regrets
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 12:27 PM
Oct 2019

doing their best to smear Hillary. Toobin is due for a karmic adjustment and I wish to see it happen to him and every other liar involved.

Phuk off Toobin.

Gothmog

(145,635 posts)
59. Opinion: CNN's Jeffrey Toobin -- again -- expresses regret for his Clinton email coverage
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 02:11 PM
Oct 2019



At which point, CNN chief legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin added his self-critical perspective. “This is also a story about the news media, about how much time we spent on that," said Toobin. "And that’s something that I have felt a great deal of personal responsibility for because I talked about the emails here at CNN, I wrote about it in the New Yorker and I think I paid too much attention to them and I regret that, and I hope a lesson is learned. I mean, this story turns out to be ... a big nothing. And we spent months on it. Hillary Clinton very likely lost the election because of it, and I think I should have been talking about other issues, not about the emails.”

In January 2018, Toobin made similar remarks in a podcast with comedian Larry Wilmore. “I think there was a lot of false equivalence in the 2016 campaign," said Toobin back then. "That every time we said something, pointed out something about Donald Trump — whether it was his business interests, or grab ’em by the p---y, we felt like, ‘Oh, we gotta, like, talk about — we gotta say something bad about Hillary.’ And I think it led to a sense of false equivalence that was misleading, and I regret my role in doing that.”

For both of his meae culpae, Toobin has received applause from media-watchers. After all, not all pundits, editors and correspondents offer honest reflection of this sort.
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