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kpete

(71,996 posts)
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 04:12 PM Oct 2019

IT WAS THE OMB DIRECTOR, MISAPPROPRIATING FUNDS, IN THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR'S OFFICE

Finally, Hill puts Mick Mulvaney at the scene of the crime.

As I’ve said before, one part of this scandal that has gotten far too little attention is that, to extort Ukraine, Trump withheld funds appropriated by Congress, funds about which there was bipartisan agreement.

Last week, CNN and WSJ reported that to do this, OMB changed the way the funds were distributed, putting a political flunkie in charge, also a detail that has gotten far too little attention.

Not only does that raise the Constitutional stakes of the Executive’s refusal to spend the funds Congress had duly appropriated, but it shows consciousness of guilt.

And per Hill’s testimony Mick Mulvaney, serving in the dual role of OMB chief and Chief of Staff, knew that those funds were being withheld for a quid pro quo or (as John Bolton described it) a drug deal.

Senate Republicans might not ever convict Trump for demanding foreign countries invent propaganda on his political allies. They might feel differently once it becomes clear that the crime involves refusing to do what Congress, with its power of the purse, told him to, without even telling Congress he was doing so (or why). They may not care about Trump pressing for any political advantage for their party, but they may care about Trump neutering their most important authority.


https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/10/15/the-significance-of-fiona-hills-testimony-whatever-drug-deal-sondland-and-mulvaney-are-cooking-up/


Now OMB says it does not plan to turn over the documents that impeachment committees subpoenaed. The deadline was today.

Note, these documents will show that the White House decided to ignore the will of Congress to carry out his extortion.




https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/10/04/trump-specifically-ensured-republicans-wouldnt-know-about-his-extortion/
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IT WAS THE OMB DIRECTOR, MISAPPROPRIATING FUNDS, IN THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR'S OFFICE (Original Post) kpete Oct 2019 OP
Mulvaney is one prick I've wanted to see taken down for a long time. lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #1
And he will squeal like a stuck pig. dchill Oct 2019 #4
According to Leningrad Lindsey, refusing the subpoena is an impeachable offense. lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #7
He is a true deplorable. Peregrine Took Oct 2019 #13
He never fails to piss me off, lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #14
"putting a political flunkie in charge" progressoid Oct 2019 #2
Trump's got binders full of fall guys and gals. lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #9
I dont know... robbob Oct 2019 #37
The emptywheel links in the OP are a must read; and emptywheel rocks! n/t MFGsunny Oct 2019 #3
Lot of info before they closed the thread empedocles Oct 2019 #8
Thanks -- will check out this site more often. klook Oct 2019 #10
She deserves an "Emptywheel appreciation thread" rurallib Oct 2019 #12
+1000 she's one of the very, very best tishaLA Oct 2019 #23
+1 dalton99a Oct 2019 #29
+1 burrowowl Oct 2019 #35
she's terrific NewJeffCT Oct 2019 #19
Send in the fucking marshal and malaise Oct 2019 #5
They all are toast. Kid Berwyn Oct 2019 #6
Time for the Democrats to start using the term EXTORTION. luvtheGWN Oct 2019 #20
Also the word TREASON. Kid Berwyn Oct 2019 #27
Rats at OMB better start talking and leaking docs. Pepsidog Oct 2019 #11
So, does Mulvaney Scarsdale Oct 2019 #24
I hope That creep goes to jail. Pepsidog Oct 2019 #31
maybe that could be remedied ... Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #34
That's great and all, but I was under the impression that we had greater powers of complience now LiberalLovinLug Oct 2019 #38
might want to re-read that letter Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #39
oooooooo a warning!!! LiberalLovinLug Oct 2019 #41
and your solution is? Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #43
Well, I'm not a lawyer, let alone a US constitutional lawyer LiberalLovinLug Oct 2019 #44
Title reads like a bad game of Clue benld74 Oct 2019 #15
That's how I read it! Pacifist Patriot Oct 2019 #21
I thought it was a riff on Clue, too. And I liked it, lol. n/t ms liberty Oct 2019 #26
Didn't The Supreme Court Already Rule In Favor Of The President DallasNE Oct 2019 #16
That was over a national emergency as I recall bucolic_frolic Oct 2019 #18
Does Bolton know something he's not telling us? bucolic_frolic Oct 2019 #17
Anytime emptywheel is cited, I know there's a lot of research and digging that erronis Oct 2019 #22
The OP header looks like the solution to a new game of Clue. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2019 #25
Mulvaney wants to go to jail for trump. Turbineguy Oct 2019 #28
With a sharpie. boston bean Oct 2019 #30
What was the date again when Mick Mulvaney became Chief of Staff (sorry Acting Chief of Staff)? Pachamama Oct 2019 #32
Is this like CLUE: The Trump Administration version? Beartracks Oct 2019 #33
Defund all the agencies involved until they comply with lawful subpoenas. lark Oct 2019 #36
So what else has Mickey Mulvaney been withouting U.S. Government payouts on??? WyattKansas Oct 2019 #40
..."they may care about Trump neutering their most important authority." I hope so. Nitram Oct 2019 #42

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
7. According to Leningrad Lindsey, refusing the subpoena is an impeachable offense.
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 04:24 PM
Oct 2019

So we can add Mulvaney to the impeachment roster.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
20. Time for the Democrats to start using the term EXTORTION.
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 05:55 PM
Oct 2019

That's a word that everyone can understand.

Kid Berwyn

(14,909 posts)
27. Also the word TREASON.
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 08:14 PM
Oct 2019

Trump sold out his nation, his oath to the Constitution, and obligations to our allies. His actions have benefited Putin and Russia.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
24. So, does Mulvaney
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 07:11 PM
Oct 2019

collect a salary from BOTH positions? It is time to start arresting and jailing these people who refuse to honor subpoenas. Start with Rudy, and then Mick.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
38. That's great and all, but I was under the impression that we had greater powers of complience now
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 03:14 PM
Oct 2019

Are we still limited to "strongly worded letters"?

All I read, before the official impeachment, and now even after, is one subpoena after another ignored, then the story moves off the news cycle, and two days later we hear about some other subpoena ignored. Strong letter. Rinse and Repeat.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
39. might want to re-read that letter
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 03:21 PM
Oct 2019

That's a warning that the fairly new law (signed this year) requires withholding salary from people for blocking others from communicating with Congress. In this case, it could affect multiple people up to and including TrumPutin.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
41. oooooooo a warning!!!
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 03:44 PM
Oct 2019

(That would be the "strongly worded" part).
You're right, its pretty well the same thing as actually hauling their ass off to jail.

Sorry but some generally written threat of withholding department funding is just not strong enough. I wouldn't doubt Republicans would find a way to re-direct funds in any case. Also many of these political appointees are wealthy sycophants whose federal salaries pale in comparison to what their business earnings are. And lastly, it seems like past Senates and Houses of lawyers have so entangled the process with avenues to appeal these subpoenas for years, making them all but useless.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
44. Well, I'm not a lawyer, let alone a US constitutional lawyer
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 04:42 PM
Oct 2019

But if you are saying this is all a House can do with a corrupt sitting President, then we are truly fucked.

As for an answer. I'm tired of the SWL strategy to nowhere. If they can withhold funding.... Stop giving veiled threats in SWLs about it and..JUST DO IT!

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
16. Didn't The Supreme Court Already Rule In Favor Of The President
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 04:57 PM
Oct 2019

When Trump was challenged over transferring money from the military to build the wall?

The Nixon era emergency law ceded the power to the President. The next Congress needs to address that law in order to gain back the power of the purse. But that may have to happen over a presidential veto so it won't be easy.

bucolic_frolic

(43,182 posts)
18. That was over a national emergency as I recall
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 05:07 PM
Oct 2019

Despite his actions, Trump has not declared a national emergency to subvert Biden and manipulate the Ukraine government into providing help. Yet.

bucolic_frolic

(43,182 posts)
17. Does Bolton know something he's not telling us?
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 05:05 PM
Oct 2019

I'm confused. Is he really alluding to actual smuggling, or is this an off-the-cuff hyperbole for which he's almost famous? Why do I feel like he's pointing in the right direction but doesn't want to be specific. Smuggling? Smuggling what?

erronis

(15,303 posts)
22. Anytime emptywheel is cited, I know there's a lot of research and digging that
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 06:28 PM
Oct 2019

has gone on. I only wish her site was a bit easier to navigate...

There are obviously some tremendously knowledgeable people with real experience in these matters who comment there. And then there are a few like me.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
25. The OP header looks like the solution to a new game of Clue.
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 07:13 PM
Oct 2019

Really, someone ought to re-invent the game as Trump White House Mystery.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
32. What was the date again when Mick Mulvaney became Chief of Staff (sorry Acting Chief of Staff)?
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 12:52 AM
Oct 2019

I believe it was a very deliberate move to making him both the OMB chief and then the Acting Chief of Staff....

It was all part of a very orchestrated plan to control the money and implement their plans....

Beartracks

(12,816 posts)
33. Is this like CLUE: The Trump Administration version?
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 01:16 AM
Oct 2019

"It was Trump... in the Oval Office... with the telephone!!"

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lark

(23,105 posts)
36. Defund all the agencies involved until they comply with lawful subpoenas.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:22 AM
Oct 2019

Withhold the directors salary as part of that. Don't know exactly how "Contempt" charges work, but would imagine those should be filed against everyone who refuses to honor a subpoena. When drumpf et all give Dems the raspberry, again, it will be nation at severe risk time because this will go to SCOTUS and drumpf will be bribing & threatening them non-stop - it may be someone on behalf of drumpf, but wouldn't be surprised if he did this himself because he loves to threaten. That will be it folks - make or break time for this experiment in representative government called the USA. Will the fascists hold and our constitution in effect invalidated by rw Russian Repug SCOTUS or will the rule of law embodied in the constitution win and drumpf et al will have to obey the law and produce the documents (for the first time in his rotten criminal life for drumpf). If SCOTUS doesn't kiss his ass and rules against him, what will drumpf do? The docs confirm his treachery and lies! At that point he might resign if Pence promises an immediate and complete pardon for him and his adult children from any ongoing cases or cases that might arise from actions prior to xxx date. I think Pence would do it and continue the collusion but hide it much better. However, hopefully he could be tied to all the devastation and criminality and he too would go down in flames!

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
40. So what else has Mickey Mulvaney been withouting U.S. Government payouts on???
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 03:27 PM
Oct 2019

How much has the U.S. Government failed to pay for the last 3 years, so Mickey could cook the books?

How many little people in the United States are still owed payment, due to Mickey churning the books to cover the tRUMP Family Crime Business?

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