There is much more to Ukraine than just Giuliani looking for dirt on the Bidens.

[kentuck]

He was not having "several meetings" with Manafort for no reason. He was gathering information about something corrupt.

It would be difficult to believe that Donald Trump did not know about what was going on?

It was a shadow government operation working in secret for Donald J Trump.

In my opinion, money laundering is involved. As is the former Ukrainian oligarch, Dmytra Firtash. He is now living in Vienna and that is where the two Giuliani "associates" were going with their one-way tickets when they were arrested at the Dulles Airport. Coincidentally, Giuliani had a ticket for Vienna also.

I suspect there is a lot of dirt to uncover and it doesn't involve the Bidens at all.

[katmondoo]

1. They should all be charged with manslaughter for the deaths of the Kurds

[in2herbs]

2. I have a hard time believing that Manafort told Mueller everything he knows. He's probably holding

back info in expectation of a last minute pardon as drump goes out the WH door.

[MFGsunny]

7. I bet my last shiny penny on it, herbs. Talk about Mana-ruski-fuckery-ukraine. n/t

[Sneederbunk]

3. Dotard did not seek to rid Ukraine of corruption, but to benefit from it.

[Jarqui]

4. There was a lot of foreign (Russian) money come into the 2016 election

according to several reports.
It also seemed to make its way into the inauguration.

The NRA was one route taken.
But it is under considerable scrutiny now while internal conflict goes on.

So they were probably working to establish other ways to get money into the 2020 election.

Not only is this a setback on trying to get dirt on the Bidens and accelerating impeachment - I suspect it has also hurt the illegal campaign finance schemes for Trump in 2020.

[Moostache]

5. There is no connect to the Bidens, the Clintons, the Obamas or the Democratic Party...

There is GOP ratfuckery in every corner of this sad ass episode though.

The impeachment should proceed apace with the simple fact that Donnie 2 Scoops ASKED a foreign government for "a favor though"... and there is ample evidence that the ask (which is THE ORIGINAL CRIME here) was part of a wider conspiracy to extort the Ukrainian government for lucrative oil and gas monies to be shared by Rudy G and the Trumps among others in the crime syndicate operating as the shadow US State Department.

Trump set up back channels to avoid HIS OWN GOVERNMENT AGENCIES.
Trump admitted on tape, in statements and ON CAMERA to the principle charges already...

Just vote out articles of impeachment for the ask, for the subsequent obstruction and proceed to the Senate, where the GOP is going to be faced with their own existential reckoning - to go down in history defending the selling out of America's security for a man who will cut them all off at the knees in a New York Minute or to nut up, vote the way the evidence points and the facts live, and remove the stain from the Oval Office. Then accept a period in the wilderness for their entire party - penance due for allowing this in the first place - a naked and hyper-partisan power grab, starting with Garland's nomination theft, and 2016 cooperation (or complicity anyway) with Russian interference in the election, gleeful anti-Hillary horseshit and finally carrying water for the Demented Yam for the past 30 months as he careens all over the map!

Trump is a disease. Transparency and oversight are the antidotes.

[5X]

6. They may have actually been trying to figure out just how much the

US intelligence knows about trump.

[Garrett78]

8. There's also the CrowdStrike component.

Remember, before mentioning Biden, Trump mentions his CrowdStrike conspiracy to Zelensky.

Manafort, Firtash, Giuliani, Parnas and Fruman (and probably Barr and probably Pompeo) are involved in trying to convince people that Ukraine was helping Clinton and that Russia wasn't helping Trump.

[imanamerican63]

9. But what about her emails?

The GOPers has turned a blind eye on the critical proof!