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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA friend, a woman in her 80s, has ended her life
I met her years ago in a local park. A casual conversation turned deeper when we learned that our families came from the same region of Europe.
She was a smart woman, actually far beyond smart, and I always looked forward to our conversations.
We'd meet in the park on just about a regular basis, and also, for lunch occasionally, and she had to be careful of what she ate because she was diabetic.
A couple of years ago, as the world started to become a darker place, she seemed to be turning sadder and depressed. While our conversations tended to focus on the arts, sciences, history, and so much more, we really never spoke of each others personal lives. It was an unspoken arrangement, but it just happened to turn out that way and it worked well.
One day last month, I made a mistake. I breached that wall of our personal lives. I asked her what was wrong.
She hesitated for a few moments and then she began to speak quietly.
Her entire family had died in the Holocaust. She had spent much of her life alone. And she feared what she saw/read/heard was now happening in America.
I asked her a few questions, but she shook me off. I can still remember most of her words. "Americans don't see it. I was a young girl and I didn't understand. But I remember. It's happening again."
I didn't see her for about a month after that. I knew where she lived and went over there. After knocking on a few doors, I found a neighbor who told me what had happened. She hadn't seen her for a while and then used the key she had.
My friend had died. It took a bit of time and money to learn that the cause of death was insulin overdose.
I've shed quite a few tears since. And I can't help but wonder if she didn't want to go the same way her family did.
50 Shades Of Blue
(10,007 posts)irisblue
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sinkingfeeling
(51,457 posts)livetohike
(22,145 posts)times together bring you comfort .
Canoe52
(2,948 posts)My condolences.
LuvNewcastle
(16,846 posts)I hope your friend was wrong, but right now I think it could go either way. A lot of us, including me, insulate ourselves from the rabid right and their crazy concocted stories about this event and that. There are a lot of them, too, a lot more than we probably want to admit. I can't blame her for doing what she did, but know that she at least had one good friend in the world.
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Hekate
(90,714 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... children in the first place.
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml
Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
A. Killing members of the group;
B. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
C. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
D. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
E. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
irisblue
(32,980 posts)You really feel your comment is supportive of a fellow DU er in pain?
mountain grammy
(26,623 posts)It's terrifying to watch Americans buy into Trumpism, and that's what they're doing. Sure, it's the minority of Americans, but that's not stopping the agenda and we must ask WHY that is..
cate94
(2,811 posts)Im sorry for your friends pain. Anyone with any knowledge of history can see the similarities, and it is frightening.
Karadeniz
(22,528 posts)gademocrat7
(10,659 posts)scipan
(2,351 posts)I wish I could see a way to turn this around.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)... Trump came down the escalator must have been triggering for her.
My late in-laws were Holocaust survivors, and I remember talking with my MIL during Dubya's media-assisted rush to war. Special graphics, special theme music -- cable tv provided it all for free. She said it reminded her of Vienna in the 1930s, and it was awful. I'm glad they're not alive to witness the rise of Trump and Trumpism, because the signs of cataclysm are all there and unless we are very lucky indeed our republic will die.
Treasure the memories you have of your friend.
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)I'm sorry for you and your friend.
CaptainTruth
(6,594 posts)LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)Chilling thoughts.
virgogal
(10,178 posts)to do with past life...and Im elderly.
calimary
(81,304 posts)And her warnings are worrisome indeed. Shed know.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)She sounded like a wonderful friend.
FakeNoose
(32,645 posts)I also have older friends who are survivors of the war and its aftermath. One friend in particular is my dear friend from Yugoslavia who was only a child during the war, and the Communists killed her father and put her family into a concentration camp. So these were the good guys right? Wrong!
My friend is 84 now and she's had a happy life here in Pittsburgh, she married a wonderful caring man and they raised 6 great kids. But my friend still sometimes gets strange depressing thoughts about what she survived so many years ago. (It wasn't the Holocaust, and I recognize that that was far more horrible.) When my friend feels like talking then I listen, as friends do. But I try to cheer her up and not dwell on the past, and I bring her music or schnapps occasionally to brighten her mood.
It is possible that your friend did not take her own life intentionally, perhaps it was a mistaken overdose.
sheshe2
(83,786 posts)I am sorry for your loss.
spooky3
(34,457 posts)CatMor
(6,212 posts)she was lucky to have you as a good and caring friend.
malaise
(269,045 posts)lapucelle
(18,268 posts)Perhaps the greatest tribute that you (and even we who never knew her) can give is to spread her message.
May she rest in peace, and may you find peace as well.
bdamomma
(63,868 posts)this so sad. People who lived through the holocaust will never forget. They know the signs. Poor woman.
demigoddess
(6,641 posts)My father and uncle fought in WWII in the Pacific. But I feel for this woman, I can understand her fear. We all should.
Peace06
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Maybe, just maybe your friend is comforting you by whispering in your ear:
Grieve not
nor speak of me with tears,
but laugh and talk of me
as if I were beside you -
I loved you so -
'twas Heaven here with you
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)The depths of her anguish...
PatrickforO
(14,576 posts)But it is also our loss. We have nearly lost the republic, and we've got to get it back. Your friend was quite right. If Trump stays in power there will likely be another holocaust, and we, all of us, are responsible for doing everything possible to keep that from happening.
JudyM
(29,251 posts)Good on you, though, for being a connecting piece of humanity.
ramen
(790 posts)She sounds like a remarkable woman. Whatever the circumstances, this is tragic. All the best to you navigating the surrounding grief.
We should all take her words straight to heart.
GreenEyedLefty
(2,073 posts)I do not believe that asking a friend what is troubling them is a mistake. It's human kindness.
Also I do not believe that your conversation led her to take her life. Big hugs to you.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)My parents were young and living in England during the war. Dad died at 83 in 2012. Mom died at 90 a few years ago. Both were children during the war. Your friend must have been very very young during that time. To have died in her 80s recently means she had a heckuva memory for a tot.