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Cyrano

(15,041 posts)
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 12:31 PM Oct 2019

A friend, a woman in her 80s, has ended her life

I met her years ago in a local park. A casual conversation turned deeper when we learned that our families came from the same region of Europe.

She was a smart woman, actually far beyond smart, and I always looked forward to our conversations.

We'd meet in the park on just about a regular basis, and also, for lunch occasionally, and she had to be careful of what she ate because she was diabetic.

A couple of years ago, as the world started to become a darker place, she seemed to be turning sadder and depressed. While our conversations tended to focus on the arts, sciences, history, and so much more, we really never spoke of each others personal lives. It was an unspoken arrangement, but it just happened to turn out that way and it worked well.

One day last month, I made a mistake. I breached that wall of our personal lives. I asked her what was wrong.

She hesitated for a few moments and then she began to speak quietly.

Her entire family had died in the Holocaust. She had spent much of her life alone. And she feared what she saw/read/heard was now happening in America.

I asked her a few questions, but she shook me off. I can still remember most of her words. "Americans don't see it. I was a young girl and I didn't understand. But I remember. It's happening again."

I didn't see her for about a month after that. I knew where she lived and went over there. After knocking on a few doors, I found a neighbor who told me what had happened. She hadn't seen her for a while and then used the key she had.

My friend had died. It took a bit of time and money to learn that the cause of death was insulin overdose.

I've shed quite a few tears since. And I can't help but wonder if she didn't want to go the same way her family did.

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A friend, a woman in her 80s, has ended her life (Original Post) Cyrano Oct 2019 OP
I am sorry for your loss. And sorry she was in so much pain that that was the only way out she saw. 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2019 #1
I weep for her. I grieve with you. A light was lost irisblue Oct 2019 #2
I'm so sorry for your loss. And the loss of a wise woman. sinkingfeeling Oct 2019 #3
I'm so sorry for your loss. May the memories of your livetohike Oct 2019 #4
Yes, it's happening. Canoe52 Oct 2019 #5
My condolences. LuvNewcastle Oct 2019 #6
Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #7
Babies in cages not horrific enough for you? Hekate Oct 2019 #9
+1, its not just that. Trump could be committing text book UN Genocide article 2 by taking the ... uponit7771 Oct 2019 #25
She is posting about her feelings of grief and loss first. irisblue Oct 2019 #15
I'm so sorry to read this.. mountain grammy Oct 2019 #8
I am sorry for your loss. cate94 Oct 2019 #10
She was fortunate to have had you...you brought some sunshine into her dsys.❤ Karadeniz Oct 2019 #11
Condolences on the loss of your friend. gademocrat7 Oct 2019 #12
Chilling. scipan Oct 2019 #13
I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend. Everything that's happened in America since ... Hekate Oct 2019 #14
This is yet another story of history repeating itself. GoneOffShore Oct 2019 #16
I'm so sorry... CaptainTruth Oct 2019 #17
I'm so sorry for your loss LittleGirl Oct 2019 #18
Elderly suicide is not uncommon.Sad,but has nothing virgogal Oct 2019 #19
This hurts my heart. calimary Oct 2019 #20
That is heartbreaking. I am sorry for your loss. Politicub Oct 2019 #21
My dear Cyrano I'm so sorry for your loss FakeNoose Oct 2019 #22
Heartbreaking, Cyrano. sheshe2 Oct 2019 #23
I'm so sorry. And I hope the country turns around. Nt spooky3 Oct 2019 #24
So very sad ..... CatMor Oct 2019 #26
Truly sad malaise Oct 2019 #27
I'm so sorry... lapucelle Oct 2019 #28
Oh God bdamomma Oct 2019 #29
so sad. I have been feeling the same, and I only know WWII from history books. demigoddess Oct 2019 #30
So sorry for your loss Peace06 Oct 2019 #31
So sorry...but I understand bluecollar2 Oct 2019 #32
I saw this earlier today. Sorry for your loss. PatrickforO Oct 2019 #33
We are witnessing a massacre of tender hearts. Sorry to hear of this sad loss. JudyM Oct 2019 #34
I'm so sorry. ramen Oct 2019 #35
I am sorry for your loss. GreenEyedLefty Oct 2019 #36
... Raster Oct 2019 #37
She must have been very young during those years. cwydro Oct 2019 #38
She will forever be in your heart.... Heartstrings Oct 2019 #39

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
6. My condolences.
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 01:17 PM
Oct 2019

I hope your friend was wrong, but right now I think it could go either way. A lot of us, including me, insulate ourselves from the rabid right and their crazy concocted stories about this event and that. There are a lot of them, too, a lot more than we probably want to admit. I can't blame her for doing what she did, but know that she at least had one good friend in the world.

Response to Cyrano (Original post)

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
25. +1, its not just that. Trump could be committing text book UN Genocide article 2 by taking the ...
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 05:31 PM
Oct 2019

... children in the first place.

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

A. Killing members of the group;
B. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
C. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
D. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
E. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

irisblue

(32,980 posts)
15. She is posting about her feelings of grief and loss first.
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 02:26 PM
Oct 2019

You really feel your comment is supportive of a fellow DU er in pain?

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
8. I'm so sorry to read this..
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 01:41 PM
Oct 2019

It's terrifying to watch Americans buy into Trumpism, and that's what they're doing. Sure, it's the minority of Americans, but that's not stopping the agenda and we must ask WHY that is..

cate94

(2,811 posts)
10. I am sorry for your loss.
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 01:45 PM
Oct 2019

I’m sorry for your friends’ pain. Anyone with any knowledge of history can see the similarities, and it is frightening.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
14. I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend. Everything that's happened in America since ...
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 02:25 PM
Oct 2019

... Trump came down the escalator must have been triggering for her.

My late in-laws were Holocaust survivors, and I remember talking with my MIL during Dubya's media-assisted rush to war. Special graphics, special theme music -- cable tv provided it all for free. She said it reminded her of Vienna in the 1930s, and it was awful. I'm glad they're not alive to witness the rise of Trump and Trumpism, because the signs of cataclysm are all there and unless we are very lucky indeed our republic will die.

Treasure the memories you have of your friend.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
22. My dear Cyrano I'm so sorry for your loss
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 03:21 PM
Oct 2019

I also have older friends who are survivors of the war and its aftermath. One friend in particular is my dear friend from Yugoslavia who was only a child during the war, and the Communists killed her father and put her family into a concentration camp. So these were the good guys right? Wrong!

My friend is 84 now and she's had a happy life here in Pittsburgh, she married a wonderful caring man and they raised 6 great kids. But my friend still sometimes gets strange depressing thoughts about what she survived so many years ago. (It wasn't the Holocaust, and I recognize that that was far more horrible.) When my friend feels like talking then I listen, as friends do. But I try to cheer her up and not dwell on the past, and I bring her music or schnapps occasionally to brighten her mood.

It is possible that your friend did not take her own life intentionally, perhaps it was a mistaken overdose.

lapucelle

(18,268 posts)
28. I'm so sorry...
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 06:00 PM
Oct 2019

Perhaps the greatest tribute that you (and even we who never knew her) can give is to spread her message.

Americans don't see it. I was a young girl and I didn't understand. But I remember. It's happening again.

May she rest in peace, and may you find peace as well.



bdamomma

(63,868 posts)
29. Oh God
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 06:04 PM
Oct 2019

this so sad. People who lived through the holocaust will never forget. They know the signs. Poor woman.

demigoddess

(6,641 posts)
30. so sad. I have been feeling the same, and I only know WWII from history books.
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 08:18 PM
Oct 2019

My father and uncle fought in WWII in the Pacific. But I feel for this woman, I can understand her fear. We all should.

Peace06

(248 posts)
31. So sorry for your loss
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 09:54 PM
Oct 2019

Last edited Wed Oct 16, 2019, 12:43 AM - Edit history (1)

Maybe, just maybe your friend is comforting you by whispering in your ear:

Grieve not
nor speak of me with tears, 
but laugh and talk of me 
as if I were beside you - 

I loved you so - 
'twas Heaven here with you 

PatrickforO

(14,576 posts)
33. I saw this earlier today. Sorry for your loss.
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 11:44 PM
Oct 2019

But it is also our loss. We have nearly lost the republic, and we've got to get it back. Your friend was quite right. If Trump stays in power there will likely be another holocaust, and we, all of us, are responsible for doing everything possible to keep that from happening.

JudyM

(29,251 posts)
34. We are witnessing a massacre of tender hearts. Sorry to hear of this sad loss.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 12:44 AM
Oct 2019

Good on you, though, for being a connecting piece of humanity.

ramen

(790 posts)
35. I'm so sorry.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 01:11 AM
Oct 2019

She sounds like a remarkable woman. Whatever the circumstances, this is tragic. All the best to you navigating the surrounding grief.

We should all take her words straight to heart.

GreenEyedLefty

(2,073 posts)
36. I am sorry for your loss.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 07:11 AM
Oct 2019

I do not believe that asking a friend what is troubling them is a mistake. It's human kindness.

Also I do not believe that your conversation led her to take her life. Big hugs to you.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
38. She must have been very young during those years.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:56 AM
Oct 2019

My parents were young and living in England during the war. Dad died at 83 in 2012. Mom died at 90 a few years ago. Both were children during the war. Your friend must have been very very young during that time. To have died in her 80s recently means she had a heckuva memory for a tot.

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