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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 08:38 AM Oct 2019

Chris Hayes went WAY out on a limb last night (re: Weinstein / Farrow / NBC News)



Yashar Ali 🐘 ✔ @yashar

Please watch this excellent closing statement by @chrislhayes

To stand up this way against his bosses at NBC News is remarkable

I should note what makes this even more remarkable is Andy Lack (NBC News Chairman) isn't a big fan of Chris/his show

Chris is stepping out here


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10:08 PM - Oct 14, 2019




If his show suddenly disappears, we'll know why...
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Chris Hayes went WAY out on a limb last night (re: Weinstein / Farrow / NBC News) (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Oct 2019 OP
Not sure this is the hill I want Hayes to "die on", but I applaud his integrity/courage hlthe2b Oct 2019 #1
I think if it's not the hill... Ztolkins Oct 2019 #25
We need Hayes there, as we do Rachel, Lawrence & a few others dealing with Trump exposure hlthe2b Oct 2019 #26
Most damning for NBC gratuitous Oct 2019 #2
Excellent commentary malaise Oct 2019 #3
Agreed. Props to Chris! Raster Oct 2019 #43
Awakening Prosper Oct 2019 #4
And yet I remember that white supremacist bow tied dick Carlson Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2019 #5
I hope we don't hear sooner rather than later that Chris rainin Oct 2019 #6
Chris Hayes is badass - laying it all out like this FakeNoose Oct 2019 #7
if Chris does bdamomma Oct 2019 #14
I have followed Chris Hayes since his days at The Nation, Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2019 #37
Chris seems pretty pissed off about this whole situation. Cracklin Charlie Oct 2019 #8
I also like his live shows... Wounded Bear Oct 2019 #18
Bravo - Chris. Good job. harumph Oct 2019 #9
Can somebody summarize what he said NewJeffCT Oct 2019 #10
He starts out talking about the NBA/China thing Lulu KC Oct 2019 #12
Thank you NewJeffCT Oct 2019 #17
He's a good man. Mc Mike Oct 2019 #11
I find myself watching to see if Ronan Farrow gets booked as a guest on MSNBC. calimary Oct 2019 #13
I've seen him on Rachel at least twice. Yes, he is booked. ancianita Oct 2019 #20
Much respect hibbing Oct 2019 #15
Speaking truth to power - good job Chris! patphil Oct 2019 #16
So much for the underrating of Chris Hayes. Go, Chris!! ancianita Oct 2019 #19
Chris has been on the Stephanie Miller show and is very outspoken about things there as well. triron Oct 2019 #21
Go Team! Piasladic Oct 2019 #22
Who is this guy and what has he done with Chris Hayes? WheelWalker Oct 2019 #23
He's also calling his 2naSalit Oct 2019 #24
I read a couple weeks ago where Chris is married to one of the NBC bigwig's daughter. Frustratedlady Oct 2019 #27
Info below MagickMuffin Oct 2019 #31
Well, that post I read was certainly wrong. I stand corrected. Thanks! Frustratedlady Oct 2019 #32
His wife also worked in the WH Counsel's office DeminPennswoods Oct 2019 #40
Way To Go Chris! colsohlibgal Oct 2019 #28
I don't think Chris Hayes is worried bucolic_frolic Oct 2019 #29
Epstein Wawannabe Oct 2019 #30
He's got some nerve klook Oct 2019 #33
Thank you to Chris Hayes Mersky Oct 2019 #34
I thought he had...thanks, Chris!❤ Karadeniz Oct 2019 #35
He is not on tonight ... :( nt Jarqui Oct 2019 #36
He was reporting and interviewing candidates live from the debate bullwinkle428 Oct 2019 #45
Good. Hope he doesn't lose his job over this. nt Jarqui Oct 2019 #46
NBC did run the mother of all motherfuckers. the apprentice. elevated a prick far above his level. pansypoo53219 Oct 2019 #38
Chris knows: If the news, and if the police, and if the lawyers, and if the politicians don't admit lindysalsagal Oct 2019 #39
I heard this commentary and, tbh, came DeminPennswoods Oct 2019 #41
Hubs and I watch this in real time Duppers Oct 2019 #42
I like Chris Hayes Roy Rolling Oct 2019 #44

Ztolkins

(429 posts)
25. I think if it's not the hill...
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 11:21 AM
Oct 2019

It's the hill right next to it.

Fuck Andy Lack and NBC's "slow-walking" of this. Who else became a victim in the meantime?

hlthe2b

(102,289 posts)
26. We need Hayes there, as we do Rachel, Lawrence & a few others dealing with Trump exposure
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 11:26 AM
Oct 2019

and the impeachment process. I'm certainly am not saying this is not equally important, but it is not as imminently so for the entire US population.

Sure he needs to report on it, but if he's going to burn his bridges with his employer, I'd hope he would do so advisedly. We need him and others like him.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
2. Most damning for NBC
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 08:47 AM
Oct 2019

Hayes lays out very directly that within a couple of months of leaving NBC, Ronan Farrow had his Pulitzer winning story published in the New Yorker. Where NBC couldn't feature the sourcing on Farrow's story, the New Yorker was willing to publish scant weeks later. For a story this big, going with the story on that short a timeline (and winning a major journalistic award) indicates that Farrow's story was ready to air, but NBC shied away for some reason (fear of crossing Weinstein?).

Raster

(20,998 posts)
43. Agreed. Props to Chris!
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 08:18 AM
Oct 2019

I love how he was just about out the door at NBC and managed to rally back with some of the hardest-hitting reporting and opinion of the Trump* era.

Prosper

(761 posts)
4. Awakening
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 09:11 AM
Oct 2019

Thank you Dennis Donovan, Chris Hayes and Bernie Sanders.

The loyalty to a paycheck does not have to dictate abolishment of ethics. Not does an issue have to produce sensational headlines to become a vocal topic of concern. Consider economists that support policies that lead to the destruction of the economy lest they jeopardize a paycheck. How many economists do you see supporting an aggressive progressive tax code that would funnel money back into the economy.

Our reverent fascination with the life styles of the rich and famous has to be replaced with focus on giving everybody complete healthcare. Celebrating billionaires has to be replaced with proudly guaranteeing a living wage. Everybody could “Go to Disney World” if the laws of the country favored the majority instead of the powerful few.

Chris Hayes, thanks.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
5. And yet I remember that white supremacist bow tied dick Carlson
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 09:26 AM
Oct 2019

making fun of Hayes. As if he were some kind less than manly, so called "sissy". Now here's this "wimpy-beta male" doing something Fucker Carlson would never have the nads to do reg his own employer.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
6. I hope we don't hear sooner rather than later that Chris
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 09:40 AM
Oct 2019

is leaving to spend more time with his family. We need this kind of courage. Thank you, Chris!

FakeNoose

(32,644 posts)
7. Chris Hayes is badass - laying it all out like this
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 09:44 AM
Oct 2019

I don't want to see Chris fired over this, but he is taking chances here. I'm glad that he has chosen integrity over a steady paycheck, and he's showing leadership that most of the other TV journalists haven't done.

Message to Chris - if you should leave your current employment, I for one will follow you wherever you go!

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
37. I have followed Chris Hayes since his days at The Nation,
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 10:36 PM
Oct 2019

where he wrote brilliant stories from 2002 - 2010, when NBC snatched him away. He has always stood up for what he believes and his integrity rolls over idiots like Tucker Carlson (who always looks like he's two weeks constipated to me).

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
8. Chris seems pretty pissed off about this whole situation.
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 09:48 AM
Oct 2019

I’ve been watching him some lately, and he has been nailing it!

He did a really good live show last Friday. He is great in that setting!

Wounded Bear

(58,662 posts)
18. I also like his live shows...
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 10:28 AM
Oct 2019

Wouldn't want him to do it every night, maybe, but the once a week thing is a great format.

We need to have more shows where they show actual audiences cheering for good journalism and progressive reporting.

Lulu KC

(2,566 posts)
12. He starts out talking about the NBA/China thing
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 10:01 AM
Oct 2019

and how taking the path of least resistance to avoid conflict is done frequently, even if there may be moral or other reasons to pursue confrontation. Then he says, "Heck," and continues on about how NBC chose not to engage in conflict with Harvey Weinstein or his powerful friends and followers, but former NBC colleague Ronan Farrow pursued the truth and personified the ideals of journalism by effecting cultural change.
That's my take.

calimary

(81,304 posts)
13. I find myself watching to see if Ronan Farrow gets booked as a guest on MSNBC.
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 10:09 AM
Oct 2019

Where he once had a show of his own for a brief period, if you’ll recall.

Saw him on CNN this morning. Have the MSNBC bookers been told not to approach him?

patphil

(6,180 posts)
16. Speaking truth to power - good job Chris!
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 10:26 AM
Oct 2019

It's ironic how we condemn FOX for deliberately lying and misleading its viewers.
But there are also "sins of omission" that most likely every one of the big news media outlets are guilty of.
Those are the sins we never see because they aren't brought out into the light of day.
Chris Hayes really nailed this.

Patrick Phillips

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
27. I read a couple weeks ago where Chris is married to one of the NBC bigwig's daughter.
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 11:31 AM
Oct 2019

I may be wrong, but don't think so.

MagickMuffin

(15,943 posts)
31. Info below
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 12:13 PM
Oct 2019
On July 14, 2007, Hayes married his college sweetheart Kate Shaw, currently a professor of law at Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law and a Supreme Court contributor for ABC News; they met while attending Brown together. His father-in-law is veteran Chicago reporter Andy Shaw. Hayes and Shaw resided in Washington, D.C.


DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
40. His wife also worked in the WH Counsel's office
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 06:13 AM
Oct 2019

and clerked for Justice Stevens. She seems quite an accomplished lawyer.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
28. Way To Go Chris!
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 11:43 AM
Oct 2019

Took courage, we know what happened to others who spoke real truth like Cenk U and Olberman and the late Ed Schultz.

bucolic_frolic

(43,176 posts)
29. I don't think Chris Hayes is worried
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 11:45 AM
Oct 2019

Standing on the side of Farrow's Pulitzer and squarely on the responsibilities and expectations of the Fourth Estate is a nudge to news organizations everywhere, and NBC has been more true than the rest of them over the last 10-15 years.

If they canned Chris Hayes he'd have a new job in a week, maybe not 8pm on cable network, but who knows. He will be a serious force in journalism for decades.

Wawannabe

(5,661 posts)
30. Epstein
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 11:55 AM
Oct 2019

Would be another power player name Chris Hayes did not mention and should have!

Epstein preyed upon children!!!!!
All those people that Chris Hayes was talking about being victimized were adults.

Epstein preyed on children - specifically females. And his money silenced them, and his money silenced anyone who knew, and his money allowed powerful people like princes and “would be” presidents to prey upon children!

This is all fucking sick. So sickening!

klook

(12,155 posts)
33. He's got some nerve
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 02:00 PM
Oct 2019

and I’m glad he did this! Watching it live was an amazing TV moment, because you could practically hear NBC execs’ teeth gnashing in penthouses and on yachts.

Good on ya, Chris, for speaking the truth, consequences be damned.

Mersky

(4,982 posts)
34. Thank you to Chris Hayes
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 06:09 PM
Oct 2019

We need all the tough journalism he and others can muster.

Quarterly profits wouldn’t mean a darn thing against a landscape of waste, corruption, and oppression.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
45. He was reporting and interviewing candidates live from the debate
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 08:43 AM
Oct 2019

last night - that's why Joy Reid was substituting.

pansypoo53219

(20,978 posts)
38. NBC did run the mother of all motherfuckers. the apprentice. elevated a prick far above his level.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 05:19 AM
Oct 2019

did they all pee together at the bohemian club?

lindysalsagal

(20,692 posts)
39. Chris knows: If the news, and if the police, and if the lawyers, and if the politicians don't admit
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 06:01 AM
Oct 2019

that they occasionally have bad actors, and say so, then they lose credibility. And credibility is all the news has.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
41. I heard this commentary and, tbh, came
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 06:20 AM
Oct 2019

away with an entirely different take. I didn't think Hayes was slamming NBC as much as explaining what happened. I'm also skeptical of Ronan Farrow.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
42. Hubs and I watch this in real time
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 08:15 AM
Oct 2019

And looked at each other and said "WOW! THAT took some guts."

Chris has stepped up and gone over "the bar."

BRAVO!

Roy Rolling

(6,917 posts)
44. I like Chris Hayes
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 08:36 AM
Oct 2019

Speaking truth to power is a journalist’s job, even when the power is your employer.

But is this story really “Chris Hayes stands up to employer”? Because large organizations dragging their feet to cover their ass is a daily occurrence, not especially newsworthy.

History will show that Farrow won, NBC lost, end of story. NBC was forced to fire Matt Lauer anyway and Farrow’s Epstein story was delayed by only 7 weeks. I’m not interested in the internals of NBC, and I would suspect NBC benefits from Chris Hayes’ tongue-lashing.

So goodbye Epstein story, hello NBC internal decision-making story. Sorry, still not interested. If anything, I suspect NBC and Hayes are now staging this on-air quarrel for ratings.

But if Hayes is fired I stand corrected. 😂😂

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