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Breaking: Bolton instructed aide to report Giuliani pressure campaign to White House lawyer (Original Post) RandySF Oct 2019 OP
As evil as Bolton is, there must be a line he will not cross liberal N proud Oct 2019 #1
yeah too bad he didn't have the ethical backbone choie Oct 2019 #16
Maybe he has. n/t Mr.Bill Oct 2019 #26
Just reminds me how we all thought "oh don't worry about Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #32
Remember, though, Mr.Bill Oct 2019 #34
Good point. Don't even think he was allowed to Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #55
That case was not in (Comey's first then) Mueller's mandate. Lock him up. Oct 2019 #49
All true points. Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #56
lol CatWoman Oct 2019 #22
Which is? Looks to me like he was trying to misguide. triron Oct 2019 #31
Because they work for the government, not for Trump Major Nikon Oct 2019 #37
This is delusional. They may ideally work of the government but in reality they work for Trump. triron Oct 2019 #44
You think Bolton gives a fuck? Major Nikon Oct 2019 #50
Right NJCher Oct 2019 #52
He wouldn't betray his country for drumpf's personal gain Takket Oct 2019 #36
He doesn't see himself as evil. He sees himself Drahthaardogs Oct 2019 #54
"Drug Deal?" ... is this a euphemism? hlthe2b Oct 2019 #2
and Mulvaney. Love that Bolton just dragged him into this. :) TeamPooka Oct 2019 #30
I unsubscribed to NYT in 2016 OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #3
Fairly brief article UpInArms Oct 2019 #4
Thank you! OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #6
'The effort to pressure Ukraine for political help provoked a heated confrontation elleng Oct 2019 #8
It's starting to look like Rudy probably ran Mr.Bill Oct 2019 #28
I guess Bolton is just about to get his own subpoena... hmm hlthe2b Oct 2019 #5
Ambassador Mcfaul was on this afternoon and he described people within dem4decades Oct 2019 #7
Interesting, that Bolton's a good guy. elleng Oct 2019 #9
He's not. RandySF Oct 2019 #11
Well that's going a little overboard. But apparently he's for the dem4decades Oct 2019 #12
Maybe just a little less bad. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #13
OK, I'll accept that, 'a little less bad' elleng Oct 2019 #15
Made me laugh. But have always thought there were Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #38
IMO there are lots, we never thought of them as rotten to the core elleng Oct 2019 #40
Yet I think how would this trump family who was brand new Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #41
Romney is still helping protect the criminal in our White House from impeachment. NCLefty Oct 2019 #46
An Institutionalist... Zambero Oct 2019 #39
He wasn't "good" until he quit Renew Deal Oct 2019 #19
Right elleng Oct 2019 #21
Bolton may have a reputation True Blue American Oct 2019 #51
Bolton's revenge. tanyev Oct 2019 #10
Seems to Renew Deal Oct 2019 #20
Bolton has always wanted MontanaMama Oct 2019 #14
He might get to participate in the blowing up of the Trump presidency. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #17
Bolton was smarter than them. herding cats Oct 2019 #18
No one has ever called Bolton stupid. Mr.Bill Oct 2019 #29
Exactly. herding cats Oct 2019 #47
Yet I don't want Rudy. I want trump Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #42
If I were a betting woman... herding cats Oct 2019 #48
Will Mulvaney be asked to tsetify? BigmanPigman Oct 2019 #23
Regime Change Marcuse Oct 2019 #24
Lolololol pangaia Oct 2019 #33
As I'm listening to the 11th Hour just now, it occurred to me that, Sogo Oct 2019 #25
I saw a Tweet today... sweetloukillbot Oct 2019 #43
Thinking back to the smirk on Pompeo's face after Bolton was out tulipsandroses Oct 2019 #27
I swear, as terrible as it all is, it's like the Keystone Cops running tge Kremlin. pangaia Oct 2019 #35
Yep NJCher Oct 2019 #53
... nolabear Oct 2019 #45
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
32. Just reminds me how we all thought "oh don't worry about
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 11:40 PM
Oct 2019

that, Mueller looking at everything! He's got it all diagrammed on a giant whole board." He did not. Taught me - never ever assume there are secret good things that only one person knows about and none of the rest of us do. Countless times people said Pelosi had this super secret info on trump that no one else knew about. She did not. Luckily trump did a worse thing than before. Glad he did so all (most all) Dems united now.

Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
34. Remember, though,
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 11:43 PM
Oct 2019

we have not seen the Mueller report. We have seen the redacted Mueller report, after Barr redacted it.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
55. Good point. Don't even think he was allowed to
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 11:03 AM
Oct 2019

Finish. Yet what kind of man doesn't let us know that and clams up.

Lock him up.

(6,933 posts)
49. That case was not in (Comey's first then) Mueller's mandate.
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 01:58 AM
Oct 2019

And Barr shut it down after pressuring Mueller he did not have the authority to indict Drumph on obstruction (but Congress does). Then Barr redacted it and mis-represented it to the public. Also, we don't yet know if articles of impeachment based on those crimes will be added to the case for a House vote.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
37. Because they work for the government, not for Trump
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 11:48 PM
Oct 2019

If he told them of criminal activity, they would have no choice but to report it to the DOJ.

triron

(22,007 posts)
44. This is delusional. They may ideally work of the government but in reality they work for Trump.
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 12:19 AM
Oct 2019

Report it to whom in Trump's DOJ? Barr?

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
50. You think Bolton gives a fuck?
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 02:39 AM
Oct 2019

As soon as he tells the WH counsel, his hands are clean. It’s his get out of jail free card.

NJCher

(35,687 posts)
52. Right
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 05:09 AM
Oct 2019

They are officers of the court. Most likely would not risk losing their license to practice over trump.

There are exceptions, of course, notably Bahr.

Takket

(21,577 posts)
36. He wouldn't betray his country for drumpf's personal gain
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 11:47 PM
Oct 2019

He isn’t a traitor, it is just that everything he wants to do to HELP America is wrong.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
54. He doesn't see himself as evil. He sees himself
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 08:27 AM
Oct 2019

As the smartest and most honest guy in the room. He's gonna sing like a canary.

UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
4. Fairly brief article
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:54 PM
Oct 2019
Mr. Bolton instructed Fiona Hill, the senior director for Russian and Eurasian affairs, to notify the chief lawyer for the National Security Council that Mr. Giuliani was working with Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff, on a rogue operation with legal implications, Ms. Hill told the investigators, according to two people familiar with her closed-door testimony.
“I am not part of whatever drug deal Rudy and Mulvaney are cooking up,” Mr. Bolton, a Yale-trained lawyer, told Ms. Hill to tell White House lawyers, according to the testimony.

It was not the first time Mr. Bolton expressed grave concerns to Ms. Hill about Mr. Giuliani. “Giuliani’s a hand grenade who’s going to blow everybody up,” Ms. Hill quoted Mr. Bolton saying during an earlier conversation.

elleng

(130,974 posts)
8. 'The effort to pressure Ukraine for political help provoked a heated confrontation
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:57 PM
Oct 2019

inside the White House last summer that so alarmed John R. Bolton, then the national security adviser, that he told an aide to alert White House lawyers, House investigators were told on Monday.

Mr. Bolton got into a sharp exchange on July 10 with Gordon D. Sondland, the Trump donor turned ambassador to the European Union, who was working with Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, to press Ukraine to investigate Democrats, according to testimony provided to the investigators.

Mr. Bolton instructed Fiona Hill, the senior director for Russian and Eurasian affairs, to notify the chief lawyer for the National Security Council that Mr. Giuliani was working with Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff, on a rogue operation with legal implications, Ms. Hill told the investigators, according to two people familiar with her closed-door testimony.

“I am not part of whatever drug deal Rudy and Mulvaney are cooking up,” Mr. Bolton, a Yale-trained lawyer, told Ms. Hill to tell White House lawyers, according to the testimony.

It was not the first time Mr. Bolton expressed grave concerns to Ms. Hill about Mr. Giuliani. “Giuliani’s a hand grenade who’s going to blow everybody up,” Ms. Hill quoted Mr. Bolton saying during an earlier conversation.'

Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
28. It's starting to look like Rudy probably ran
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 11:36 PM
Oct 2019

interference for Trump in NYC while he was mayor. Trump thought Rudy could do the same on an international level, but Rudy was way out of his league here.

dem4decades

(11,296 posts)
7. Ambassador Mcfaul was on this afternoon and he described people within
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:56 PM
Oct 2019

The government that are there to protect the nation and constitution.

He explicitly included Bolton in that group of people

dem4decades

(11,296 posts)
12. Well that's going a little overboard. But apparently he's for the
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 11:03 PM
Oct 2019

Rule of law. I could imagine that all the people who work in the State Department have a sense of loyalty to the country and each other, not to Donald Trump's pocket book

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
38. Made me laugh. But have always thought there were
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 11:48 PM
Oct 2019

different people unlike us idealogically that weren't rotten to the core. (Scarborough comes to mind). But, it's all relative to trump et al now. I still despise Romney but he's not a super evil monster.

elleng

(130,974 posts)
40. IMO there are lots, we never thought of them as rotten to the core
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 11:51 PM
Oct 2019

and now we should appreciate them, and especially those who are 'breaking' out of their 'rotten' shell.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
41. Yet I think how would this trump family who was brand new
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 12:00 AM
Oct 2019

to government know about back channels to foreign governments? like Kushner did? Wasn't that like on day 1?

Makes me think the corruption had to be fully in place and operational in the GOP already. And why hasn't there been a Democrat...any democratic who overheard bad things in the halls of Congress? In the gym, wherever. Or any decent republican for that matter.

Bottom line regular people are 100% bamboozled.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
46. Romney is still helping protect the criminal in our White House from impeachment.
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 12:42 AM
Oct 2019

In fact, between the two of them, it is TRUMP who has called for ROMNEY'S impeachment!

What should we call those who protect the super evil monster?

Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)
19. He wasn't "good" until he quit
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 11:09 PM
Oct 2019

Then he started to talk. Though I guess you could attribute leaks to him.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
51. Bolton may have a reputation
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 03:59 AM
Oct 2019

As a war hawk but it appears he cares more about his country than the gang of thieves we now have in the WhiteHouse.

It would e almost funny if the disliked man brought the whole thing down. Before this is over with we will know much more.

Schiff was smart enough to bar the weasel Gaetz yesterday. He is smarter than, Gaetz, Gym, Meadows put together! Along with Trump, Mulvaney, Pence and Barr. Barr can not stop Adam or Nancy!

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
17. He might get to participate in the blowing up of the Trump presidency.
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 11:07 PM
Oct 2019

Bolton's desire to blow something up might be fulfilled, and in a good way for a change.

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
18. Bolton was smarter than them.
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 11:09 PM
Oct 2019

I'm not surprised to see it revealed, I've called him lot of things but never blindly stupid. Where as Trump's toadies are a bunch of low IQ cons who've gotten away with it due to their names and connections. They assumed they were invisible. Bolton knows how to extract revenge. Giuliani is going down, and hopefully this will perk up the ladder.

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
47. Exactly.
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 01:08 AM
Oct 2019

Trump took him in his fold and didn't realize he's evil but not an idiot and he has a real will to survive.

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
48. If I were a betting woman...
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 01:09 AM
Oct 2019

I'd put money on Bolton being removed linking all this directly back to Trump.

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
25. As I'm listening to the 11th Hour just now, it occurred to me that,
Mon Oct 14, 2019, 11:23 PM
Oct 2019

unbelievably, John Bolton could become the John Dean of Ukraine/Turkey-gate....

sweetloukillbot

(11,029 posts)
43. I saw a Tweet today...
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 12:03 AM
Oct 2019

Said something like "I'll be so pissed if John Bolton is the one who save's the country."

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