"George W. Bush is not your f*cking grandpa!"

[Grasswire2]

In response to Ellen's public embrace of George W.

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But Bush isn’t your Aunt Karen who makes off-color comments at Thanksgiving, or a friend who’s supporting a different candidate during the primaries. He was the 43rd president of the United States who, during his eight-year tenure, oversaw the invasion of Iraq under false pretenses, which led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people during his administration alone. He’s the harbinger of the disastrous aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and the lead up to the Great Recession. The sliver of decent beliefs he held—like a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, an impossible platform for a contemporary Republicans to run on today—are mitigated by his endorsement of the regressive Federal Marriage Amendment, the implementation of the Bush tax cuts, and human rights nightmares like Abu Ghraib.

[LakeArenal]

1. My dad lived to 93

He loved Bushy, hated Obama, watched Fox News and he and my mom fell asleep listening to Limbaugh.

But you know what he was a great dad, who loved the ones he loved dearly and fully.

So I get why Ellen hugged him. I get why she respected him.

And if George Bush was nice to me, I’d be nice to him.

[Baitball Blogger]

3. I was much younger than Ellen when I felt protective of Reagan

because he too came across like a grandfather. That was back when Kerry was part of an attempt to get to the bottom of Iran-Contra. Today I am older and understand that what I felt was something that I should have dismissed because there was a long game that would effect the future.

[erronis]

16. We all have come to new realizations of what was happening. Too late, usually.

We were young, idealistic, perhaps influenced...

And the media was also 3 channels of T.V. with corporate sponsors.

I lived by my university alternative sources in the late 60's/70's. University of Kansas, Pacifica, Denver U, NPR/PBS.

[StarfishSaver]

5. I think a lot of people who are talking so much shish about how they would spit in Bush's face

would probably go all "Hummunna hummunna" and beg for a picture with him if they found themselves in his presence.

[pangaia]

69. Oh yeah?

[cwydro]

7. Good for you!

Funny how so many talk about the right wingers as being full of hate.

I see plenty of it here.

Not an Ellen fan, but she did nothing more than Michelle Obama did. Oddly, no one said anything about that.

[Bev54]

58. Why is this even a subject

The effing country is falling apart, the president is involved with allowing genocide of allies who fought for the interests of the US for the past 5 years and people are concerned that Ellen was kind to an old man who was a previous president. Get a Grip!

[StarryNite]

74. Well said!

[ronnie624]

77. Because it helps to normalize US atrocities,

like the Bush administration's illegal invasion and destruction of Iraq. Some of us absolutely refuse to do that. US militarism is a major reason for our current political predicament.

[pangaia]

29. ellen is not one of our relatives and she is a HUGE public figure.

i think it matters...

[LakeArenal]

37. So is Michelle Obama

Jimmy Fallon has had him on.
It’s important to you though. I guess you won’t be nice to him if you meet him. I’m guessing he’s used to that too.

I guess I feel forgiveness is more for the forgiver than the forgiven

[pangaia]

39. so you are making this about ME instead of my opinions.. yuppers....

[LakeArenal]

41. No no I didn't mean it to sound snarky.

This about Ellen being nice to him.

I would like to meet George. I shouldn't have used the word nice. Just lazy typer. I meant more you would probably speak your mind to him than I would. And... he’s probably used to folks who feel like you do when he meets them. That’s all. No personal meaning about you

[pangaia]

42. thanks...

for what it is worth.. I would't go within a motor round of the fucker.

And if i was forced for whatever reason to confront him i would spit in his face...

[LakeArenal]

45. I'd love to be there.

Not so sure he’d be used to spit.
Shoes, yeah. Spit?

[pangaia]

55. HA HA

i can';t spe,, motor,,,,er i mean morter..uh mortar... moretar....

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

78. Big time!! So disappointed in Ellen... she knows better!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[japple]

38. I hated GW, Cheney, Rumsfelt with a passion for what they did to our country. Same

with Reagan and GHW Bush. But I do believe that people can feel remorse for what they have done in the past and move on with their lives to become productive members of society. I think that GW has searched his soul and found the part that needs to be healed. That is what activated his interest in painting. Michelle Obama has a very similar relationship with GW which is what helped me to see beyond my initial reaction to him.

[pangaia]

40. I think that GW has searched his soul and found the part that needs to be healed.

That is what activated his interest in painting.

How do you know...?
Could be, I suppose.

If true he should DO something useful for humanity. Not just indulge himself in his guilt....

[japple]

50. I don't know for certain. I've seen some of his comments from public appearances and

he seems to have changed. Do you think that people can atone for their transgressions? It seems like you don't accept that.

[pangaia]

54. IF he has atoned, what has he done to atone?

[live love laugh]

62. Zilch. Bush, Rice, Cheney all have been in hiding.

They re-emerge and become legitimized by people like Ellen when sadly the hundreds of thousands they killed, water boarded and tortured don’t get a chance for redemption.

[SammyWinstonJack]

64. "Now watch this drive". I doubt he has a soul to search.

[live love laugh]

63. "Bushy?" The man who stole the presidency and murdered 100kIraqis

is “Bushy”? 🙄

[LakeArenal]

72. Oh geez. It was about how my dad felt about himp

Not me.

[TidalWave46]

2. Good reminder about Bush.

The attack on Ellen is one of the most pathetic attacks I’ve ever seen. And right wingers have produced some real winners.

[maxsolomon]

4. Don't forget the Gay Marriage bans of 2004.

Which Jr. used to GOTV.

[MsLeopard]

19. And

The Help America Vote Act that put unverifiable voting machines all over America

The Green Forests Act that allowed clear cutting

The Blue Skies Act that encouraged pollution

I could go on but it makes me sick.

Such an ass to be given respect now. Fuck him, and Cheney too.

[maxsolomon]

22. Well, I'm thinking of things that should have given EDeG specific pause.

Since she's a married Lesbian.

I guess she draws the line at Cheney, though!

[MsLeopard]

24. Oh, well

I think I just went off on a hypocrisy rant, but I see your original point and didn’t mean to hijack it.

[cwydro]

8. Yep.

It seems that we have some hypocrites here. Smh.

[Skittles]

36. we are NOT hypocrites

I think cozying up to that warmongering bastard is SICKENING, no matter who it is

I do understand Michelle as a First Lady had to deal with W, but loving on him is going too far

people still die EVERY DAY because of him

[Celerity]

61. +10000

[Piasladic]

67. +10001

[Voltaire2]

9. Normalizing fascists and war criminals is a bad idea

I don't really care who is doing the normalizing.

[Voltaire2]

12. Oh I think mostly people are intimidated

about speaking honestly about the issue.

[pangaia]

70. Can you imagine the abuse that would follow here if anyone got on Michelle about it?

[erronis]

18. That's an interesting point. Because every US president has to do some accommodation

At least in a normal world (not dump's).

Even with the most despotic or most antagonistic regimes, there needs to be some dialog. Frequently expected to maybe provoke an in-kind response.

I can't imagine a CEO of any organization (say the USA) making absolute edicts about how she would treat all the other CEOs.

As we've seen just now, there's a lot of "quid pro quo" going on.

Dump is just the lousiest practitioner the world has seen.

He gets shafted on his quid constantly.

Too bad it's so tiny.

[keithbvadu2]

21. Good enough for Jeff Gannon. Very private pics, though.

[pangaia]

30. that's a tough one. but i think it is different..

michelle is the wife of a former president and i HOPE she actually IS respecting the office, as a sort of former office holder herself. and there is a need for that, somehow.

I doubt i would be consistent on this and it would probably be pretty easy to blow holes in my reasoning..

[Kid Berwyn]

10. "Money trumps peace." -- George W Bush, WH press conference, Feb. 14, 2007.

[dalton99a]

13. "This is an impressive crowd. The haves and the have-mores. Some people call you the elites;

I call you my base." - October 20, 2000

[jalan48]

14. Maybe it's a class thing though we're not supposed to have social classes here in the good ole USA.

[TeamPooka]

15. Don't forget Bush ignored the warnings and let 9/11 happened

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[Initech]

17. And when it did happen he read "My Pet Goat".

[magicarpet]

48. Upside down.....

[egduj]

59. "The Pet Goat"

[Duppers]

20. K & R

[tavernier]

23. It's like giving a pass to Ted Bundy.

Because he has family money and kids who are cute and work for the corporate media.

[Collimator]

25. After the 2016 election. . .

. . . It seemed as though there was a fairly regular parade of video phone recordings of RW a-holes behaving like a-holes in public because
they felt empowered to declare their angry self-righteousness out in public. Putting aside the fact that we, liberal sorts, disagreed with their point of view, we really wished that they would confine their meaness of spirit to their own homes.

Now, a liberal icon/celebrity is caught on camera being gracious to someone who supported/enacted policies that we diaagree with. Essentially, people are bashing Degeneres for not behaving like an a-hole in public. The "we" in this case, are angry at Bush and feel betrayed because someone isn't expressing our anger in a social venue.

Like it or not, almost every person in the public eye is forced to rub elbows and engage in polite encounters with other public figures during social/entertainment events. Like it or not, we all share this world with people whose views we disagree with--often vehemently. One writer pointed out that living in a community with people whose opinions you hate is the essence of democracy.

If the extreme, litmus-test liberals are going to be such purists, then why have we tolerated Ruth Bader Ginsburg for working civilly besides Clarence Thomas? Shouldn't she have spat in his face by now?

[pangaia]

33. ellen is NOT a politician. she is a 'private citizen,' just like you and me...

although a rather visible one.

" supported/enacted policies that we diasagree(sic) with.."

I would say i have a little more than a disagreement with this mass murderer

[Collimator]

43. The woman is in the public eye.

I never said that she was a politician.

You want to boycott her show, write op-ed pieces against her, go for it.

If I am being honest though, the whole attitude being expressed towards Ms. Degeneres feels like the tarring and feathering of the modern age.

[pangaia]

46. i don;t watch tv,,,

so i have no plans to girlcott her..

what i have seen of her i like.

just expressing an opinion on the situation...

[FreeState]

26. We will never make progress if we don't reach out

This gay man finds it beyond disgusting that straight people are telling a gay woman how to build bridges.

[Dem4Life1102]

28. Well said

[pangaia]

34. ummm.. what does being straight or gay have to do with it?

[FreeState]

47. Everything

Gay people don’t need straight people telling them how to act or feel anymore than any other minority needs to be told by the majority how to live or fight for there rights.

[pangaia]

53. I understand what you mean, and I agree..

but I guess i meant, and maybe i am wrong, but i didn't think of her as being a gay person getting along with a straight person... rather just a person to another person..

Ok, for example if ellen were black, or chinese, or a native american, or whatever other than a gay white person. would it matter?

[obnoxiousdrunk]

57. +1. N/t

[Pepsidog]

27. Trump is the best thing to happen to Bush.

[LakeArenal]

44. Agree.

And that hug from Michelle.

[magicarpet]

51. trDump let bush's ass off 100 fishing hooks and allowed him to break free of ....

....relentless and much deserved ridicule.

Although unimaginable, a much worse pResident, with trDump on the world stage
let bush off that hook because trDump was exponentially much worse than him.

Bush kinda lost his bottom of the list buffoon standing, now he was second from the bottom.

Rethugs can surely pick them,.... NOT !

[Pepsidog]

52. I thought it couldn't get worse than Bush, boy was I wrong.

[Dem4Life1102]

31. The self righteousness of some is startling

Ellen has done more to advance LGTBQ and other progressive issues than all of those now trying to demonize her for just being polite to someone she was seated next to at a football game.

[NotHardly]

35. You would demonize 'her' if she were anyone else ... normalizing evil is not a good look

[Dem4Life1102]

60. She didn't normalize evil

She was polite to someone she was seated next to at a football game

[NotHardly]

32. Ellen D. is not in a postion to feel any of the impact of Repug policies...

She's filthy bloody rich and that is the exception on which she slides and rides. She can, of course, sit next to anyone she wishes... god only knows both Bush's have, and Trump is ... I'm just comparing oranges to oranges.

[warmfeet]

49. George W. bush

is a piece of shit. He looks slightly better now because he is not quite the piece of shit our current asshole in chief is. Fuck all these pieces of shit!

Hey, consider this - we don't need pieces of shit running (ruining) our government. We are the damn government. Let's make it the government we want. How about that? How about we throw all of these pieces of shit on the shit pile of history?

[UTUSN]

56. This article/o.p. convinced me. I detest the BFEE as much as anybody but SHITLER is worse

So I was inclined to side with Ellen. But, yeah, no excuse for revisionist pardoning.

[Ilsa]

65. I don't care who Ellen is kind to any more than

I care who she lives with. It's her choice, whether we like it or not.

[denbot]

66. Kick and Recommend

Obama's greatest mistake was letting his predecessor's slide. He gave them a clean slate, and the the GOP did not hesitate to shit on it.

[LanternWaste]

71. Who we are kind to reflects on ourselves alone, not on those we show kindness to.

As the corollary is also true, who we are unkind to again reflects only our character, and reveals nothing of anyone else.

[Paladin]

73. K&R.

[Peacetrain]

75. And they day the "Primaries Forum" is brutal

uff dah

[greymattermom]

76. Ellen is 61

W is 73. Not even old enough to be her dad.