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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsis 25a a way out of impeachment?
it occurs to me that springing 25a at this point, in light of his recent tweet about his wisdom, and the spiraling chaos would be the fastest way to end this mess. maybe when the thugs come out from under their rocks the republican party will decide it is time to stop the madman.
25a would get it done w/o the blood letting and the discovery.
they know in their little black cinders of hearts that they will have to vote to impeach and soon.
i honestly believe the medical evidence is a short trip to walter reed away.
25a=cya?
Johnny2X2X
(19,114 posts)The 25th amendment will never be used on Trump. The Republicans in power that would have to support it love Trump or are beholden to him.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)Doesn't that move them?
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Their objection to impeachment isn't that there will be discovery. Their objection is that they would have to take a stand against a president their base loves. Invoking the 25th is qualitatively no different. They won't do it.
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)I'm sure they have no intention of doing so even if they have to lock him in the WH "attick"...
BumRushDaShow
(129,440 posts)Section 1.
In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.
Section 2.
Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
Section 3.
Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.
Section 4.
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxxv
I.e., good luck getting the "President Pro Tempore" doing/agreeing to anything of the sort. (EDITED to Assley.)
Lots of hurdles there given the Senate problem (let alone whoever is left in the cabinet).
Shrek
(3,983 posts)Mitch McConnell is the majority leader.
BumRushDaShow
(129,440 posts)The Pro Tem is actually elected by the rest of the body as I confirmed!
rsdsharp
(9,197 posts)Grassley is President Pro Tempore.
Either way, he 25th amendment is not viable in this situation. We will never get Pence and a majority of the cabinet to turn on Trump. If they did, Trump would say he's not incapable of discharging his duties. That would require an eventual vote of 2/3 of both the House and the Senate to remove Trump; a bigger hurdle than impeachment.
BumRushDaShow
(129,440 posts)Even if Pence decided to go all Brutus, he wouldn't have the backing of hardly anyone else.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)DFW
(54,436 posts)They assumed that the President and Vice-President would never be equally as bat-shit crazy at the same time.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)I presume not, since there's no possibility of it being used under the current circumstances.
mopinko
(70,208 posts)i realize that it requires the turning of the worm. but let's face it, the worm must turn at some point, and it seems to be wriggling a bit.
and if twitler decides he prefers the insanity defense, a stroke is easy to fake.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)There is no way it will happen, given the current situation. It is much easier to remove a President through the impeachment process.