I have watched Chuck Todd ten times now

[Cary]

His treatment of Senator Johnson's whataboutism brings me personal pleasure of.course. They are all feverishly spinning this conspiracy crap.

We want journalists to call them out but do Republican hacks convert anyone? Or are they reaching only their base? Conversely does Chuck Todd take Ron Johnson down by making him look like an idiot? I mean we all know already that he is an idiot, right?

This goes back to my theme of late, that 2020 is all about us. We need to work on ourselves. We will convert zero cult followers.

I get pushback here at DU for that theme. People take offense at VOTE DEMOCRATIC when no offense is intended. What is wrong with focusing on our own strengths? What is offensive about simplicity? If we vote. we win.

[abqtommy]

1. I mostly agree, but if there's any vote influencing/shenanigans

by the reTHUGS and their hacking buddies then we're all screwed. Secure the vote!

[Cary]

4. I don't disagree but that is a separate issue

If WE, THE PEOPLE turn out en masse and we are denied that raises a lot.of other issues that I hope to avoid.

[abqtommy]

16. I guess we can disagree about that. I think that vote security is THE issue!

[gordianot]

2. The Republican base needs to know those who oppose them will not cave.

Threats of violence will not work and are not going to be met with counter threats. Those to whom threats are being made should take them seriously and the joking or baiting excuse does not work. Plan accordingly stay safe.

[Cary]

6. So Chuck Todd is the key to this?

[gordianot]

11. No, but they tried to use the same bullying tactics on him.

The toad usually promotes bothsideism. It just happened today to rub him wrong. Give him time to revert.

[Cary]

12. Agreed

I am trying to find the significance, if any. And too I certainly don't want to have to rely on any purveyor of bothsideism.

[malaise]

3. Fuckie Toad is not stupid

He knows how this ends and does not plan to be on the wrong side of impeachment history.

[Cary]

7. Do you care which side Todd ends up on?

I don't know whether I do.

[malaise]

10. Not in the least

He already is a proven hack

[Garrett78]

5. I doubt anyone here takes offense at "VOTE DEMOCRATIC."

And I fully agree that we aren't going to convert anyone from Cult 45.

But "If we vote, we win" is just too simplistic. It suggests that if we don't win, it must simply be because we didn't vote. That then excuses gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc.

[Cary]

8. Oh yes, I strike some kind of nerve

The point is simplicity. The goal is for WE, THE PEOPLE to vote. I don't see why you need it to be more complicated.

Think Occam's Razor. There will be plenty of time for complications after we win.

[Garrett78]

9. I think you may misunderstand what part of your argument with which people take issue.

But if you can show me where someone on DU was offended by "VOTE DEMOCRATIC," I'm open to seeing the evidence.

The complexity has to do with, as I mentioned, things like gerrymandering and voter suppression. And our tyranny of the minority system (an example being the electoral college). Those are realities that we need to struggle against, that we need to raise hell about. We shouldn't excuse those things by suggesting, "If we don't win, it's because we didn't vote."

[Cary]

13. I don't see the point in expending energy to point anything out

Nor do I see the reason you cite as an excuse for being obnoxious. It is not the only instance of these particular being rude and obnoxious.

I am entitled to my opinion. One can disagree without being a troll

[blm]

14. I believe the same. Trump has lost some of his 2016 voters and not gained new ones.

Let’s increase our voters by appealing to the millions of new voters who will be voting for president for the first time. There are millions more of them than are persuadable Trump voters.

[Cary]

15. And I doubt that he will gain any.

He cannot defeat us but we can defeat ourselves.

[uponit7771]

17. I'm perplexed, I would've been screaming as they were stealing peoples kids but somehow ...

... Red Don doing what he said he would do with Stephe and doing what he did do in 2016 gets Todd going?

weird