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(6,457 posts)Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)Better than continued silence.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)What is he championing here? Returning to the halcyon days of George Bushs eternal wars?
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)Only because he has the ear of establishment non-Trump Republicans.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)of which those who exist, maybe, have quit or left the Republican Party. Hes beating a dead horse.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)That will be good to see who steps up.
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)AllyCat
(16,188 posts)NCLefty
(3,678 posts)And some of those who did wouldn't mention Trump (the actual offender) in their comments.
shanti
(21,675 posts)gotcha.
Voltaire2
(13,042 posts)BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)usaf-vet
(6,186 posts)...either by their own party OR by folks who want to try and settle old grievances.
RIGHT NOW WE NEED TO GET RID OF TRUMP AND HIS CABAL OF GRIFTERS.
We need anyone and everyone who has any standing to call Trump out.
I'm happy to let history deal with Powell, Cheney, Bush and the rest of that OLD cabal. Nothing we say today is going to change the past.
I would love to be able to call out Kennedy, Nixon, LBJ, Westmoreland, McNamara, and others who got us into Vietnam. Starting with the lie of the attack on a Naval vessel in the Gulf of Tonkin. BUT my anger would not remove one name from the Vietnam Wall. Including my high school classmates who were KIA in South Vietnam.
Trump is the enemy now. He is the one that insults the memory of all who have served and died in defense of our country and it's Constitution.
USAF Medic
1965-1969
Voltaire2
(13,042 posts)My bad.
Iraq is falling apart again, the disaster continues.
usaf-vet
(6,186 posts)emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)jumped straight from high school to death, injury, trauma. Thank you for your service and your
wisdom.
ecstatic
(32,705 posts)stopdiggin
(11,314 posts)Virtually ANY establishment Rebublican weighing in is good news. You don't have to invite the guy over for dinner.
malaise
(269,022 posts)McKim
(2,412 posts)Thank you for this. We must never forget his speech at the UN with Guernica hidden behind a curtain! For Shame!!!
NotHardly
(1,062 posts)NWProf
(51 posts)Handled by a proven Republicon dispenser of the big lie, a PowerPoint just might get through to the rest of the lizard brains who need visual aids to interpret the world.
Like Uncle Bubbie said "It might not help, but it couldn't hoit"
Kid Berwyn
(14,907 posts)Midnight Writer
(21,768 posts)BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)My question is a sincere one.
underpants
(182,823 posts)My Lai massacre coverup
Iran-Contra "no ticket, no laundry"
Aaand THAT.
Funtatlaguy
(10,878 posts)struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)that it's hard for him to follow much of anything
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)which would explain their silence. Kasich and anyone else who's managed to stay out of the trumpstain admin's wake are all dreaming of 2016 nomination 2.0...
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)Preserving his electability?
For that matter, we haven't heard anything from Al Gore or Bill Clinton, have we?
Funtatlaguy
(10,878 posts)BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)1. Trump is impeached.
2. Pence steps up.
3. Powers that be (Ronna Romney McDaniels, anyone?) prevail upon him to appoint Mitt as VP.
4. Pence is impeached.
5. Mitt runs in 2020 as an incumbent, hailed by the MSM as a moral man of the middle. Wed be lucky in that instance not to have Nikki Haley as VP.
Such are my nightmares.
Mr.Bill
(24,300 posts)has to be approved by a majority of both houses of Congress. Pelosi still hold all the cards.
lapfog_1
(29,205 posts)the House will never approve of Mitt (or any other Repuke)
Tarc
(10,476 posts)No, we're not the Moscow Mitch-like Gatekeepers. Pelosi would naturally see to it that any absolute wingnut Trump-humping nominee...Steve King. Jim Jordan, Matt Gaetz... but a non-insane nominee put up by Pence would go trough.
Taking a page straight from Mitch... the elections are just 12 months (likely much less by the time this happens) away... so there are NO duties for the VP (other than to break ties in the Senate - which isn't likely right now), so Pelosi fulfills the only other duty of the VP (that of succeeding the President should he or she not be able to serve for any reason).
Pretty sure the Democrats will slow walk any appointment to the point of it expiring due to not being needed.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)That's not a book anyone here is interested in reading, and an eye-for-an-eye is not a governing strategy.
lapfog_1
(29,205 posts)none.
So why play into the GOPs hands on it?
And it won't be a year of delay... maybe at most 6 months. Donny isn't going anywhere until there is an impeachment in the House... and even then he may still rely on Mitch killing the Senate trial.
So, in the words of Dear Leader... this is a moat point. Filled with snakes.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Hes been speaking up.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)And, of course, the topic was mostly about climate change. But included in the interview was that Gore thinks Trump is a criminal who deserves impeachment. Bill Clinton, as an ex President probably feels constrained but Hillary is speaking out forcefully.
Ex Presidents are very careful about saying anything about current Presidents. But if you listen you can hear theyre all speaking out.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)UTUSN
(70,700 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,348 posts)Can Russiapublicans ever again deal with truth, facts, and reason?
czarjak
(11,278 posts)Talk about needing a grip.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)Scared to speak up lest the abuser trump gets angry and attacks them.
They are trauma bonded to trump.
BootinUp
(47,156 posts)samplegirl
(11,479 posts)little respect for anything Colin Powell has to say.
He had his chance years to come clean.
lindysalsagal
(20,692 posts)FINALLY
Iggo
(47,558 posts)Yeah, fuck him.
scardycat
(169 posts)Iggo
(47,558 posts)Let them eat each other.
Another common War Criminal on the loose.
Why would anyone care what he thought?
I remember him waving a vial around, actively pimping for an insane war....people still die every day because of Bush INC
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Don't step up when nobody else will.
Wait until the battle is joined, then jump in.
Like some idiot suddenly jumping into the Boston Marathon just after heartbreak hill...
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)As the tide finally turns, more and more of these cowards that were too afraid to say anything for two fricken years are jumping off ship. Its better late than never I guess.
FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)We all know it's not worth saving.
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)And the more that do, the harder it is for Trump to smear and attack them all at once.
DrToast
(6,414 posts)I dont see much point in calling out his past faults, legitimate points they may be.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)About WMD in Iraq.