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PCIntern

(25,553 posts)
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 10:52 AM Oct 2019

TPTB have decided that enough is enough.

They were willing to go a certain distance, but as with Kennedy, Nixon, and Carter, once they decide that you’re done, you’re done

Yes I know how this sounds but I’ve watched it happen time and again. In this case they’re saving America as we “know” it.

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Hugin

(33,150 posts)
2. If you're watching closely...
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 10:56 AM
Oct 2019

TPTB started getting involved when the Sovereign Toddler started diluting the power of the Senate.

Two guesses who TPTB may be.

PCIntern

(25,553 posts)
4. I believe in the "Military-Industrial"-or "whatever" control.
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 10:58 AM
Oct 2019

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I have been acquainted with people involved in the periphery as a function of my work. Yes I know how this sounds.

Hugin

(33,150 posts)
9. However, I suspect your definition of the "Deep State" is far different than that of the MAGAts.
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 11:07 AM
Oct 2019

And, likely closer to the Truth.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
11. I understrand what you mean...
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 11:16 AM
Oct 2019

The term bothers me though. I tend to quibble about things like that.

The Deep State, Qanon conspiracy information has, to me, been its own conspiracy and deflects from what we might know about, lets say, deeper levels of influence and control that are not treated at the superficial level of mass media, et al. So, the term really should be deprecated on account of the associations being made and the insufficient evidence provided. In fact, that kind of information is counter-productive.

What I do see has having sufficient evidence concerning TBP, is what has been referred to as the Military-Industrial-Complex and so, putting it that way indicates that the shady, mysterious Deep State is beside the point anyway. President Eisenhower made a rather blatant and revealing speech about this and JFK also alluded to it. They both were giving a stern warning about its power, influence, secrecy and scope. It did not go away and it is proceeding to act and function.

The industrial aspect of the MIC is even more influential and powerful than it was during that era when it was the military that had more focus in this respect. In that case, we come down to the heart of the matter, Oligarchy vs. democracy as the substratum of "powers that be" that steer and direct this country, (however, not exclusively) below the limen of common knowledge and the corporately owned mass media, (which is also an aspect of the MIC).

It is in that case, that, as attached that people are to their ideas about partisan politics, it could be said that the political dichotomy is beholding to something beyond the more evident processes involved.

Why would that be a concern? Well, the transfer of wealth is glaringly obvious now. There are indications that that will continue, increase and eventually weaken and dissolve democracy, most likely on a global scale and by whatever means necessary. There is evidence to support that.

The outcome could be called dystopian if you consider the startling implications. One basis of capitalism is the right to own private property and the protection of that. Simply put, that would eventually end by way of Oligarchy for all but a small facet of the World's population and you could cast it as a rentier world where you pay as you go or a form of Neo-Feudalism where a select group of elites are the Lords and the remainder of the population live as Serfs.

Oligarchy is at odds with democracy, however, it is quite possible to maintain a democratic facade in that transition, but it would be nothing more than a manipulative message; a hallow facade. What makes such a seemingly absurd assertion like that possible is: technology.

Voltaire2

(13,048 posts)
14. "Deep State" is bullshit tinfoil crap, but the institutions of our government have a long history
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 01:35 PM
Oct 2019

and are staffed largely by non-political "civil service" employees that serve the institution, not the whims of clown presidents.

Hugin

(33,150 posts)
8. Ultimately, it's driven by money and power...
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 11:05 AM
Oct 2019

Of course.

Right now that power is held by McConnell.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
7. I thought maybe TPTB were our intelligence agencies...
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 10:59 AM
Oct 2019

But the clues about the senate have me confused.

lindysalsagal

(20,692 posts)
6. The hedge fund managers rule us all, along with the banks
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 10:59 AM
Oct 2019

If you can still tell the difference between them.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
10. The irony of all of this is that Congress could put a stop to this quickly
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 11:09 AM
Oct 2019

They choose not to. And it is a choice. But we have two big world problems that Trump is not equipped to deal with: Russia and China. Three big problems if we throw in SA/Iran.

I could see a scenario where the world is about ready to explode and he is on the phone trying to make it all someone else's fault.

Voltaire2

(13,048 posts)
16. The only 'big' China problem is the one Shitler created.
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 01:39 PM
Oct 2019

Unless of course you are buying into the neocon crap that we must dominate the planet and any nation that is in the process of developing a capability for military parity must be squished like a bug.

There are trade issues that could be resolved normally though global trade institutions, but that is hardly a "big world problem".

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
20. In my mind the China problem is the way they are treating the protesters
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 03:56 PM
Oct 2019

I think they could go all in on eliminating them if their is not a check from the outside. China is demanding the companies who do business do not comment on their human rights record. To me that is the China problem.

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