Good point. Farmers get used as a pawn by tRump.

[ffr]

Link to tweet

Who’s going to tell farmers that Trump bankrupted them not to get a better trade deal, but to force China to help him personally cheat to win 2020.

[LakeArenal]

1. Would a thunk it? Except everyone.

Farming is big business where I lived.

Big business wanted trump. And will vote for him again.

[lame54]

2. They're fine - they're getting their socialism

[hlthe2b]

7. Not small farmers! Rich farmers, not mom-and-pop farms, will collect most of Trump's tariff bailout

https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-trump-farm-bailout-20190528-story.html

The lone valiant farmer struggling to eke an existence from his hardscrabble farm — that’s the image President Trump wants you to think about when contemplating the $28 billion in bailouts he’s spending to cover farm losses from his trade war.

Think again. The vast majority of the dollars flowing to the agriculture industry via the bailouts is likely to go to farms with annual revenues of several million dollars. Most of them are major beneficiaries of federal crop support programs that steer billions in subsidies and low-priced crop insurance — including insurance that already covers some of their losses in the trade war.

[Hoyt]

3. I bet 70% of them voted for trump, and will still vote for him, especially after he sends a big

support check to pay them off.

[bluestarone]

5. THIS!

100% Probably with a little note, VOTE for me! i'll take care of you.

[hlthe2b]

8. No. Small farmers are certainly NOT

https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-trump-farm-bailout-20190528-story.html

The lone valiant farmer struggling to eke an existence from his hardscrabble farm — that’s the image President Trump wants you to think about when contemplating the $28 billion in bailouts he’s spending to cover farm losses from his trade war.

Think again. The vast majority of the dollars flowing to the agriculture industry via the bailouts is likely to go to farms with annual revenues of several million dollars. Most of them are major beneficiaries of federal crop support programs that steer billions in subsidies and low-priced crop insurance — including insurance that already covers some of their losses in the trade war.

[bluestarone]

12. I hear ya! I know the bigger the better bailout BUT

My money is North Dakota votes for tRUMP in 2020!

[OnDoutside]

16. The lone valiant farmer who will STILL vote for Trump and the GOP. If they can't be arsed to educate

themselves, there's little pity to go around for the likes of them. (I do feel sorry for Dem voting farmers in Red States though).

[hlthe2b]

6. The big support checks are going overwhelmingly to corporate farms, not small farmers.

[Hoyt]

9. I suspect if you portion it out by value of lost product, it evens out. I wouldn't expect a small

farmer who lost $20K to get a check for $200K.

[hlthe2b]

11. NO! this is something we should not be propagating, even if they voted Trump.

https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-trump-farm-bailout-20190528-story.html

The lone valiant farmer struggling to eke an existence from his hardscrabble farm — that’s the image President Trump wants you to think about when contemplating the $28 billion in bailouts he’s spending to cover farm losses from his trade war.

Think again. The vast majority of the dollars flowing to the agriculture industry via the bailouts is likely to go to farms with annual revenues of several million dollars. Most of them are major beneficiaries of federal crop support programs that steer billions in subsidies and low-priced crop insurance — including insurance that already covers some of their losses in the trade war.

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Suicide rates among small farmers have been historically high as well and appear to be climbing.

It is wrong to demonize the little guys, even if they are foolish to have voted for Trump.

[Hoyt]

15. The vast majority of product and loss came from large farms. Sorry, just reality.

Nobody is demonizing the little guy. But, I and a lot of people here have probably had to give up a job they love and retrain for, or start over, for/in something else because of economic realities. Farmers, solo physicians, buggy whip makers, bank clerks, etc., have all been through it. Yes, it's sad, but it's reality.

[hlthe2b]

19. You're progagating a false narrative that small farmers are getting all this bail-out. They're NOT.

But your sympathy for large commercial/industrial farms is quite interesting. Are big banks among your sympathetic focus as well?

[Hoyt]

21. I did not say that. I said if a small farmer lost $20K, they shouldn't get the same subsidy as

someone who lost $200K.

[hlthe2b]

23. Strawman... I never stated that nor did anyone else on this thread. I don't engage with those who

advance strawmen arguments as I find it highly deceitful as a tactic. So have a good day but I'm done with you.

[Hoyt]

25. Specious arguments are deceitful too.

[notdarkyet]

26. They are cutting food stamps again.farmers are getting bailed out.

[hlthe2b]

4. Small farmer suicides rates continue to be high and are probably increasing.

while USDA Secretary Purdue has essentially told them that small farms are outdated and should be expected to fail.

They've been duped, but I can't feel anything but extreme sadness for them.

[MuseRider]

10. Thank you.

I am a small farmer. It is a working farm and I do it myself but it actually would be called a hobby farm most likely. I grow and sell a crop but I do not have to to get by. IOW, I make no money I only make what I need to feed the livestock that I keep for myself. Not for food.

There are a lot of small farmers around here who did vote for Trump but I never see them anymore. Used to see them at the feed store. There were quite a few who would never have even considered him. But, we all go down with the talking points don't we.

[Hoyt]

13. That's been true of small farmers since my granddad gave up his small dairy farm in 1960s.

He raised a family including 3 daughters in the 30s, 40s, and 50s. But, things change.

Sad, but economic reality.

[hlthe2b]

14. You lack of compassion and spreading of false narratives for small farmers is

disgusting. I have no dog in this fight, though my grandfather was the epitome of a small farmer in rural US years ago. But, I have followed this for years.

[Hoyt]

17. Have compassion, I feel badly about farmers, buggy whip makers, bank clerks, receptionists, etc.,

who are no longer needed. What do you propose we should do about it?

[hlthe2b]

18. Not spread false narratives about them for a start.

[Hoyt]

20. What false narrative? Do you think a farmer who lost $20K because of trump's tariffs, should

get a check for $200K like the large farm that lost $300K or more?

[hlthe2b]

22. That is not the case. Many small farmers are getting nada or what pittance they got is so delayed

as to be too late. I surely hope when things go badly for you in whatever business you involve yourself and purely for reasons unrelated to anything you did--that there are those who are more compassionate than you

[Hoyt]

24. First off, they probably voted for him because of his xenophobia and promises to stick it to China,

Mexicans, etc.

Second off, have you looked at the schedule of subsidies. Sure, larger farms get more, mainly because they lost more.

But, there is also a cap on the payment. So large farms are limited to what they get. Some large farms have tried to position themselves to get around that cap somewhat, but it's still capped. So they are likely getting a smaller percentage of their loss. Personally, any farm taking steps to get get around caps to some degree should be penalized, even if what they are doing is not illegal.

[Wellstone ruled]

27. Well,back when the Carter

Administration put a Grain Embargo on Russia,it took less than a blink of and eye for the Media to crucify Carter and many a Farmer today still blames the Dems for that move.