today's jobs numbers- are we gonna

[mopinko]

believe mike mulvaney's numbers?

black and hispanic unemployment at "survey lows". hmmm.
sounds so trumpian. lowest numbers ever!!!

w a manufacturing slump in progress and jobs are steady?

hmmmm.

[True Blue American]

1. No.

Kroger just announced they are laying off hundreds of workers. Walmart just sold our local Walmart, are closing stores, going to smaller ones. Manufacturing is way down, laying off.

Retail stores closing, jC Penney closing 140 stores. Job creation down DOW down. Deficit over a trillion this year.

[Freddie]

7. Good friend works in a factory

The product is very subject to the economy. In the recent past he was getting 10+ hours a week OT, now he’s down to a 40 hr week. Yes, things are slowing down.

[leftyladyfrommo]

2. Added 136,000. expected 145,000

Came in softer than expected.

[DrToast]

3. Where's your evidence of wrongdoing?

Otherwise you're being very irresponsible.

[mopinko]

5. irresponsible to say i dont trust trump's numbers?

rly?

we are at a 10 year low in manufacturing, but employment is steady? how can that be?

[DrToast]

6. Extremely irresponsible without evidence

So where is it? Hmm? You don't like it when Trump does it. So where's your evidence?

[mopinko]

8. now how would i have evidence?

that's ridiculous. how would i have numbers?
if i had evidence, i would have posted it. it's a discussion board, so i thought it was smelly in light of the manufacturing report the other day that we were at a 10 year low.
so i posed the perfectly reasonable question.

[Newest Reality]

10. That's fine with me...

You did pose it as a speculative question and didn't state your opinion as a fact. That was clear.

Curiosity is good and if anybody wants to present more information, that's fine, too.

Thanks! Question everything!

[gab13by13]

4. This is the first president

of the US where I have questions about the jobs numbers and financial numbers in general. Last quarter our GDP # went up 0.3% overnight.

[former9thward]

9. These are not "Trump's numbers".

The exact same professional career people in the Bureau of Labor Statistics who gave "Obama's numbers" give the numbers now. There are hundreds of people involved so the CT would have to be very big....

[mopinko]

13. he twisted the state dept. what makes you think he cant cook numbers?

ok they are mick mulvaney's numbers.

[former9thward]

14. And so no one of the hundreds of people involved is saying anything?

Wow. Now that is a first class CT. Unfortunately it requires first class evidence and there is none.

[mopinko]

15. i wasnt stating a conclusion. i was asking a question.

this being quite the brain trust, i thought someone might have some input.

suit yourself, but this corruption machine is the likes of which we have never seen. and all he has on his side is the economy.
a recession is under way. but the numbers are still afloat.
that doesnt make sense to me.

[former9thward]

17. There is no recession.

No credible economist says we are in one. None. Anecdotal comments by posters on a political discussion board don't make a recession.

[mopinko]

19. yesterday's manufacturing numbers showed the beginning of

a recession. much of the world economy is also in recession.

[uponit7771]

22. +1

[Hoyt]

26. Good luck convincing folks of the truth. They even revised past two months upwards. Fact is, Obama's

is doing relatively well, in spite of trump's buffoonery.

[TidalWave46]

11. We have been at a point of over employment for awhile.

It’s not a good thing at all. Specially when we are specializing in McJobs and systemic oppression is forcing people to work and they still can’t afford to live.

[Johnny2X2X]

12. This is odd

Never saw a report written like this. Been reading these reports for decades now, they always simply state the situation until now. Never heard them brag about rates like this before. Trump is influencing that department, no doubt. I don’t think the numbers are getting cooked (yet.) But the language in it is very odd. Might as well say, “this is the bigltiest best, believe me, you haven’t seen a jobs report like this one.”

[former9thward]

16. I have gotten emails from the Labor Department for years and years every month.

When the numbers come out. Yes the Labor Department under Clinton, Bush, and Obama all bragged whenever numbers would allow them. They are always run by political appointees who want to make their administration look good. It is natural.

[Johonny]

18. THe job numbers for the year keep being revised down

Which indicates the formula used to project them are over estimating start ups and under estimating shut downs. As the real numbers come in, they've been consistently down. There's no reason to believe todays numbers won't be revised down in a few months. That's the trend.

[mathematic]

24. Previous months were revised UP with today's numbers

Both July & August were revised up. So there goes your theory.

[NewJeffCT]

20. so, bad job creation numbers are unrealistic?

the unemployment numbers dropped a lot under Obama. They continued to drop under Trump, but not as quickly.

Jobs have been created under Trump, but not nearly at the level that Obama created them over his last 3-5 years.

[mopinko]

21. not unrealistic, just not trustworthy. esp when that's all they got.

and when you realize how deep they managed to rot the dept of state. he's deep in the irs.
not hard to see that omb would be a target, too. esp as campaign ramps up.

i'm just asking the question.

[uponit7771]

23. Your distrust of anything Trump is a rational response to a racist child abuser like Trump. Some ...

... people think Trump has boundaries or no help in this admin.

That's not true, the fact there are a handful of idiots who helped him on Ukraine alone dispels that.

[Roland99]

25. Worst year for job creation since 2010

And unemployment that low SHOULD be putting a lot more pressure on wages to rise. And we aren’t seeing that

And mfg numbers hit their lowest point since the recession

How much house cleaning went on at BLS and were algorithms modified?