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CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 11:34 PM Oct 2019

You know what pisses me off? I'm seeing all these threads about negative info and reactions

relating to Trump and his administration, as it were.

Yet Brian Williams and his deluded panel can only push the "democrats in disarray" bullshit.

That really, truly angers me.

That's how we got stuck with this orange buffoon in the first place.

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You know what pisses me off? I'm seeing all these threads about negative info and reactions (Original Post) CatWoman Oct 2019 OP
I don't watch him, how are Dems in disarray? Skittles Oct 2019 #1
The part I saw was that Pelosi and Schiff were supposedly Hortensis Oct 2019 #25
Rec'd eleny Oct 2019 #2
I was thinking the same thing. BigmanPigman Oct 2019 #3
Brian wasn't saying Dems are in disarray. He just made the simple point that... Garrett78 Oct 2019 #4
agreed Skittles Oct 2019 #6
Nancy and Adam canetoad Oct 2019 #7
What Trump said today wasn't merely something untrue or stupid. It was impeachable. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #9
Agreed. Plz write this to them. Lock him up. Oct 2019 #10
drump in the frypan: sprinkleeninow Oct 2019 #11
And then what? StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #12
It's about controlling the narrative. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #13
Pelosi and Schiff holding a press conference won't change or control the narrative StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #16
We can agree to disagree. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #17
We agree on the importance of establishing a narrative StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #20
This wasn't just something crazy. It was an impeachable offense that... Garrett78 Oct 2019 #22
And that's pretty much all the media has been talking a out in the last 24 hours StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #24
I disagree on this one, matter of fact for impeachment they should have a daily spokes person that uponit7771 Oct 2019 #19
The Dems have a Coms Secretary StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #21
Nancy says: tblue37 Oct 2019 #15
A tweet the following day doesn't have the impact of an immediate press conference. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #18
Who do you think would have been influenced by an immediate press conference in the middle of the d? StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #23
True. nt tblue37 Oct 2019 #26
What exactly did Brian Williams say? I watched some of tonbight's show, but didn't see anything KPN Oct 2019 #5
See post #4. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #14
Brian Williams is still a thing? Iggo Oct 2019 #8

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
25. The part I saw was that Pelosi and Schiff were supposedly
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 03:32 PM
Oct 2019

shockingly remiss in not making a special major television appearance to call Trump out for the crime of soliciting China's interference in the election. Unbelievable that the Democrats' chances at impeachment were going down the tubes from neglect as they were goofing off in two different states doing other things too unimportant to mention, yada, yada, blah, blah, yada blah.

I was surprised at first because continuing events all day had caused me to think we were doing great and the Republicans were in big trouble, not the opposite. Turned it off.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
2. Rec'd
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 11:46 PM
Oct 2019

I just wanted to post about this. Had to turn off the program because it was his same old mantra. I rarely watch his show anymore but gave it a chance. Ffs, even Chuck Todd took a better overall approach today.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
4. Brian wasn't saying Dems are in disarray. He just made the simple point that...
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 12:02 AM
Oct 2019

...Democratic leadership should have immediately pounced on Trump's China comment. Pelosi or Schiff (if not both) should have immediately had a press conference stating, "Crimes committed out in the open are still crimes."

Surrogates and talk show hosts aren't enough. We need Dem. leadership to get in front of cameras as soon as things like that happen.

Trump is not trying to self-impeach as someone suggested. He's trying to control the narrative. He's trying to make people think, "If it's out in the open, it must not be wrong." If Democratic leadership doesn't pounce on that shit, Trump's attempt to control the narrative will be successful.

And Dems shouldn't just say that what he's saying and doing is wrong. Point out to the American public that what Trump is doing is a strategy, that he's trying to normalize his criminality, that he's trying to say, "If I'm open about collusion, then collusion is not a crime." Because as obvious as his strategy is to some, I guarantee you that most need to have it explained to them.

Simple, repetitive messaging and establishing the dominant narrative is something Republicans have long understood as incredibly important. Meanwhile, it's not been a strong suit of Democrats. That's just the reality.

canetoad

(17,169 posts)
7. Nancy and Adam
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 12:58 AM
Oct 2019

Would never get any impeaching done if they ran in front of the cameras every time 45 said something untrue or stupid.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
9. What Trump said today wasn't merely something untrue or stupid. It was impeachable.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 01:03 AM
Oct 2019

And a 5-minute press conference isn't asking a whole lot. Someone from leadership needed to immediately hold a press conference with the simple, easy-to-understand message that "Crimes committed out in the open are still crimes, and the president just committed an impeachable offense. Any questions?"

Lock him up.

(6,935 posts)
10. Agreed. Plz write this to them.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 02:37 AM
Oct 2019

Although they were busy at the time Don Caligula committed ANOTHER impeachable offense.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
13. It's about controlling the narrative.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 12:16 PM
Oct 2019

Trump is trying to get the public to accept the idea that if he's open about collusion then collusion isn't a crime. If Dems don't constantly beat that back, it will take hold in the public consciousness.

Messaging and narrative has long been something Republicans do much better than Democrats. And repetition works. If Dems think it's enough to just let Trump spout nonsense, that he'll bring himself down, they're wrong. Do not underestimate the gullibility and ignorance of the American people.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
16. Pelosi and Schiff holding a press conference won't change or control the narrative
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 12:44 PM
Oct 2019

In fact, dropping everything to answer random questions from the press risks diluting and distracting from their targeted messaging.

They're doing exactly what they need to do, including putting out precise, targeted messaging. Running to the press podium every time Trump says or does anything illegal and/or impeachable will just play into his hands and won't get them one inch closer to our goal.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
17. We can agree to disagree.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 03:13 PM
Oct 2019

But for as long as I can remember the #1 complaint about Democrats has to do with messaging, and with good reason.

To impact the narrative, you have to establish the narrative and not let Republicans frame the debate.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
20. We agree on the importance of establishing a narrative
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 03:19 PM
Oct 2019

We disagree that rushing to a podium to hold an impromptu press conference because Trump said something crazy is the only way to do it.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
22. This wasn't just something crazy. It was an impeachable offense that...
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 03:23 PM
Oct 2019

...goes right to the heart of the matter at hand. The very issue being investigated was on full display.

This wasn't Trump lying or bashing the media or serving McDonald's at the White House. This was monumental.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
24. And that's pretty much all the media has been talking a out in the last 24 hours
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 03:28 PM
Oct 2019

Sounds like they didn't need Pelosi and Schiff wasting their time answering a lot of questions in a press conference for that message to take hold.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
19. I disagree on this one, matter of fact for impeachment they should have a daily spokes person that
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 03:18 PM
Oct 2019

... is treated like their com sec.

Human behavior science is what the Kremlin is whooping our asses in right now cause Red Don's ability to repeat the absurd

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
21. The Dems have a Coms Secretary
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 03:21 PM
Oct 2019

Are doing an excellent job with messaging. The entire media narrative is all about how Trump is engaging in illegal, unethical, unpatriotic, and impeachable behavior. I'm not sure how the messaging could be much more on point and consistent right now.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
23. Who do you think would have been influenced by an immediate press conference in the middle of the d?
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 03:26 PM
Oct 2019

KPN

(15,646 posts)
5. What exactly did Brian Williams say? I watched some of tonbight's show, but didn't see anything
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 12:49 AM
Oct 2019

that looked or sounded like "democrats are in disarray"?

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
14. See post #4.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 12:19 PM
Oct 2019

A minor part of his program was spent making a bit of constructive criticism. That's all.

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