Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 01:46 PM Oct 2019

The subpoenas are coming.

If Trump and his staff are running around with their hair on fire right now, what are they going to do when they get their subpoenas?

The Democrats are probably of one of two minds right now?

Either they want to get some more testimony and evidence before they impeach, or they are going to move consistently thru the courts with the subpoenas? They should make a written request that it be fast-tracked thru the Courts. It will be up to the judges to decide what speed they wish to move.

9 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
The subpoenas are coming. (Original Post) kentuck Oct 2019 OP
A lot people have been wondering... Newest Reality Oct 2019 #1
These subpoenas have come with a warning label. kentuck Oct 2019 #2
So then, Newest Reality Oct 2019 #3
It's beginning to dawn on the Republicans, in my opinion... kentuck Oct 2019 #6
One of our own.struggleforprogress' post from earlier..for some context asiliveandbreathe Oct 2019 #4
Thanks! kentuck Oct 2019 #7
I think the current strategy is to present the subpoenas to MineralMan Oct 2019 #5
Yep. They have also been warned about "adverse inference"... kentuck Oct 2019 #8
It's a good strategy, and there is a warning. MineralMan Oct 2019 #9

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
1. A lot people have been wondering...
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 01:50 PM
Oct 2019

Will the subpoenas have any teeth? What are the consequence actually going to be if they are completely ignored?

That seems to be the most pivotal point. I guess we will find out if Trump's coup continues unabated.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
2. These subpoenas have come with a warning label.
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 01:52 PM
Oct 2019

They will only have as much teeth as the Judiciary gives them.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
6. It's beginning to dawn on the Republicans, in my opinion...
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 02:01 PM
Oct 2019

...that impeachment may not be a winner for them, after all. It could drag them all into the hole.

And they need to get Trump out of office soon, or it could get much, much worse.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
4. One of our own.struggleforprogress' post from earlier..for some context
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 01:57 PM
Oct 2019

from Nixons article of impeachment..obstruction of justice..and here we are...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212535276

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
5. I think the current strategy is to present the subpoenas to
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 02:00 PM
Oct 2019

the administration. If they comply, then fine. If they do not comply, their non-compliance will be treated as a count of obstruction of justice on the part of the administration in the Articles of Impeachment.

That's what I'm gathering from news reports. Instead of fighting it out in the courts, they'll just make the obstruction part of the impeachment process. It's sort of brilliant. Congress has every right to demand documents to help them with their investigation. That's part of their oversight responsibility. It's not an unreasonable demand at all.

Congress is a co-equal branch of government, with the responsibility to provide checks and balances on the Executive Branch. That's built into the Constitutional make-up of our system of government. If Congress requests documents through its power of subpoena, then the Executive has to deliver those documents. If it does not, it is obstructing a lawful investigation.

It's a shortcut, really. I like it.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
8. Yep. They have also been warned about "adverse inference"...
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 02:05 PM
Oct 2019

By refusing to testify, we can infer a conscience of guilt.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»The subpoenas are coming.