We need the word-for-word transcript of the full Ukrainian call. What we have is only a third.

[skip fox]

Toward the bottom of page three of the whistle-blower's complaint he or she writes:

"In the days following the phone call, I learned from multiple U.S. officials that senior White House officials had intervened to 'lock down' all records of the phone call, especially the official word-for-word transcript of the call that was produced—as is customary—by the White House Situation Room."

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/26/us/politics/whistle-blower-complaint.html

We only got what the WH wanted us to get (approx. 11 minutes of a 30-min. call) and that was terrible for them. Imagine what is in the full 30 min. call!

Adam Schiff need to subpoena it if necessary, which it probably will be.

[kentuck]

1. It would be very helpful.

The report has been that Trump mentioned getting dirt on Biden, 8 times during his conversation with the Ukraine president. In the transcript given by the WH, there is only one mention of Biden. What did he say in the other 7 comments? How damaging are those?

[Hortensis]

2. There may be none, but there are live witnesses.

[skip fox]

3. But the whistleblower's complaint sttes clearly that there is such a transcript.

Of course this could be wrong but it's not likely or the Republicans would have attacked the whistleblower on this inaccuracy.

Notice how they have never referred to this transcript. I wonder why.

[Hortensis]

4. I hope that's the case and it hasn't been destroyed.

The Republicans have extensive experience in avoiding documenting misdeeds, and destroying records, and carrying out promises of extreme vengeance against people who cross them.

Interestingly, apparently the State Dept IG's letter refers to documents from a State legal adviser. Likely not this one, but part of a paper trail anyway?

[skip fox]

6. I just saw this on DU

House Threatens to Subpoena White House for Ukraine Records
Source: New York Times

WASHINGTON — The House threatened on Wednesday to subpoena the White House if it did not comply by Friday with requests for a broad range of documents related to an alleged scheme to pressure Ukraine into investigating a leading political rival of President Trump.

Representative Elijah E. Cummings of Maryland, the chairman of the Oversight and Reform Committee, notified his committee of the impending subpoena on Wednesday. He said the White House had thus far ignored Congress’s voluntary requests.

“I do not take this step lightly,” Mr. Cummings wrote. “Over the past several weeks, the committees tried several times to obtain voluntary compliance with our requests for documents, but the White House has refused to engage with — or even respond to — the committees.”

The impeachment inquiry has escalated quickly: The House has already issued two subpoenas for records. Mr. Cummings warning suggested lawmakers and their staff were working methodically to collect the evidence they believe they need to evaluate an anonymous C.I.A. whistle-blower complaint that touched off their inquiry. First, they targeted the State Department, then Mr. Giuliani and now the White House.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/02/us/politics/impeachment-white-house-subpoena.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

[Hortensis]

7. And I'm reminded of the over 100,000 documents on Kavanaugh's

work history blatantly hidden in custody of an attorney by the very Republicans whose duty it was to examine his fitness through them. To the best of my knowledge, in pursuit of power they've so far drawn the line at murder (?), but that's all. The destruction/alteration of everything incriminating they could must be extreme.

This subpoena is a necessary step for the courts, of course. Maybe it'll produce a few altered documents that in being altered can be used as proof of obstruction. Or something. But my hopes are pinned on what professional staffers produce officially and/or leak, bypassing agents of the Republican leadership. Like this IG and the attorney who brought them to him.

[skip fox]

8. You're darker than I am.

[Hortensis]

9. About what the Republican leadership has become?

I evaluate by behaviors, and judging by those I believe they are trying to turn the U.S. into a faux democracy controlled by a hard-core conservative authoritarian government.

If you just mean about how we proceed, we are fighting with the law as our major weapon, and, in spite of major corruption instilled by the right into our systems, so far our republic and constitution have held and a majority of the people are with us. I'm worried but very hopeful.

[skip fox]

12. Yes, "To look away is to die," as t he poet said, yet

to live without hope is hardly living.

[malaise]

5. and the unredacted Mueller Report

They are going down - justice is coming

[spanone]

10. K&R...

[skip fox]

11. An African-American congressman just made the case for a word-word-wprd transcript on MSNBC

He was using what Trump said today as evidence one exists.

Sen. Angus King is finding the released transcript highly redacted as well:

https://www.newsweek.com/senator-king-suggests-least-20-minutes-are-missing-trump-ukraine-call-transcript-1462622

[Hortensis]

13. And others believe one exists and needs to be subpoenaed,

helped by what's likely yet another public admission by Trump describing what the whistleblower complaint does.

I don't understand the document processing/storage systems, of course, but it may not be so accessible to people who'd eat the "only" physical copy if only they could get their hands on it, much less electronic. Putting it in deep storage may be biting them, with digital trails, etc.

WaPo: President Trump said Wednesday that his controversial July call with his Ukrainian counterpart was transcribed “word-for-word, comma-for-comma,” an assertion that fueled growing questions about the nature and completeness of an official memorandum about the call released by the White House last week. “This is an exact word-for-word transcript of the conversation, taken by very talented stenographers,” Trump said. White House officials previously had portrayed the document as not a verbatim transcription but rather a summary...

... Such phone calls also typically create at least two types of documents: a verbatim transcript made by note-takers in the White House Situation Room and an edited summary that is more widely circulated.

“The one that was released is not the one the Situation Room created,” said one person familiar with the creation of records of calls with foreign leaders who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the secretive process. “That’s just not possible.”