Serious question for DUers - do you think Don the Con and his

[malaise]

goons have a clue about the seriousness of these proceedings and the amount of trouble they face?

Do they think they can lie their way out of these constitutional violations and crimes (high and low)?

Once Pompeo confessed to being in on the phone call, he has no say in matters State Department - he is now a witness to the shakedown.

[TruckFump]

1. IMO, MF 45 is clueless.

Useful idiot and nothing more. Useful to Putin and his US allies such as Moscow Mitch.

[H2O Man]

2. Pompeo had better

be one of those who provided information to the whistle-blower, or else he is in a lot of trouble.

[malaise]

3. Well then I suspect

he's in a lot of trouble because we both know that he is a first rate Con goon.

[H2O Man]

9. Yep!

Couldn't happen to a more deserving fellow!

[babylonsister]

11. I don't think he'd lie about being there

if he was trying to help, so I'll go with a lot of trouble.

[H2O Man]

14. Many historians and

philosophers are convinced that Groucho was predicting Pompeo when he said, "I deny everything I say. Everything I say is a lie. And everything I deny is a lie, too."

[Happy Hoosier]

4. Trump has never faced serious consequences.

Money, and corporate distance have always protected him. He believes he is untouchable.

So far, he is correct. I sincerely hope that changes.

[malaise]

5. He should have stayed in that league

Time's up!

[Happy Hoosier]

7. I sure hope so!!!

[Maraya1969]

13. I kind of think that also. And it blows my mind that people can spend their entire lives as

criminals and never be brought to justice.

Trump is now the poster child for those people.

[Dennis Donovan]

6. I think they know. Look at their panic amidst their bluster. n/t

[vlyons]

8. I'm not certain if they know how delusional they are

I look at it from a Buddhist perspective, which considers delusion and ignorance about how things really exist as an afflictive mental state that keeps us mired in suffering. There is some dreadful and horrible evil operating in their minds. What must they tell themselves to keep that behavior ongoing? What must the guards at Nazi death camps or Cambodian death camps or stalinist gulags have trold themselves to keep showing up for work every day?

[Maraya1969]

15. Very interesting point. I read that Hitler abused the SS men as a way of numbing them

to what their orders were to be. I feel like that is somewhat comforting as it implies that those men probably had tendencies but were also kind of "made". It makes me think that in general most people would not do such things unless influenced by others.

[malaise]

16. Interesting

Thanks

[spanone]

10. No. They have managed to dodge all consequences for their crimes....

impeachment is a game changer.

[malaise]

12. THIS

impeachment is a game changer.

Hence a constitutional provision is now a 'coup'.

Panic MoFo panic!

[MyMission]

17. No and yes

No. They have no clue or awareness of the seriousness of the proceedings, or the amount of trouble they face. OR the fact that they have done anything wrong or behaved inappropriately. They are bullies and/or cons, clueless and/or evil, doing what they do and have always done.

Yes. They are all bullies. They think they can lie and coerce and strongarm their way out of their crimes, or constitutional violations. They are doing what they've always done.

And it's ironic and warped that they claim to be constitutionalists! They advocate for the parts that support their views, and ignore or misinterpret the parts they don't like or agree with.

Starting with Emoluments.

[malaise]

18. Nice post

Welcome to DU

[MoonRiver]

19. They're banking on the Senate Repuke criminals to save them.

A lot of those criminals are probably implicated so they will definitely do the WH bidding.

[mfcorey1]

20. They do now!

[littlemissmartypants]

21. Sociopaths and psychopaths, they don't care because they believe that they are above the law.

They are woefully unprepared for what's to come.

[lindysalsagal]

22. I dunno. Ask Flynn, Manafort, and Cohen.

There's a reason they call them "stupid" crooks. Crooks never picture themselves getting caught.

[LeftInTX]

23. The senate will protect Trump

I think Barr can also get away with anything cuz he's the AG.