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struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 09:09 AM Oct 2019

I Stuck with Nixon. Here's Why Science Said I Did It.

And what that reveals about Trump supporters.
Rick Shenkman
Updated 04.15.19 8:53AM ET
Published 04.13.19 10:29PM ET

... The more anxiety we feel the more likely we are to reconsider our beliefs. We actually change our beliefs when, as Marcus phrases it, the burden of hanging onto an opinion becomes greater than the cost of changing it. Experiments show that when people grow anxious they suddenly become open to new information. They follow hyperlinks promising fresh takes and they think about the new facts they encounter.

How does this help us understand Trump supporters? It doesn’t, if you accept the endless assertions that Trump voters are gripped by fear and economic anxiety. In that case, they should be particularly open to change. And yet they’re as stuck on Trump as I was on Nixon.

The problem isn’t with the theory. It’s with the fear and anxiety diagnosis ...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/i-stuck-with-nixon-heres-why-science-said-i-did-it

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I Stuck with Nixon. Here's Why Science Said I Did It. (Original Post) struggle4progress Oct 2019 OP
Even The Biggest Scandals Can't Kill Party Loyalty struggle4progress Oct 2019 #1
Excellent piece, Big Blue Marble Oct 2019 #2

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
1. Even The Biggest Scandals Can't Kill Party Loyalty
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 09:13 AM
Oct 2019

MAY 16, 2017, AT 5:31 AM
By Julia Azari, Perry Bacon Jr. and Harry Enten

... We went back and looked at key congressional votes during three relatively recent periods in which a president was accused of wrongdoing: Watergate (Richard Nixon), Iran-contra (Ronald Reagan) and the Monica Lewinsky scandal (Bill Clinton). Two trends stick out. First, partisanship still matters. And in a big way. Second, when defections do come, they’re more likely to come from the centrist wing of a party.

Even as Nixon aides resigned and the Watergate controversy grew around the president in 1973, many congressional Republicans were arguing that the investigations of the president were overly aggressive. Two future GOP presidents, George H.W. Bush (then chairman of the Republican National Committee) and Reagan (then governor of California), called Nixon and assured him that he could get through the scandal. Things escalated in October 1973 when Nixon ordered the firing of the special prosecutor investigating his administration, leading both the attorney general and deputy attorney general to resign, in what is now known as the “Saturday Night Massacre” ...

The 1998 House votes impeaching Clinton — who was essentially accused of lying and trying to block the investigation into his his affair with White House intern Lewinsky — were also split almost entirely along partisan lines, with the Republican majority ensuring that two of the four articles of impeachment were adopted.2 Clinton was impeached on a perjury charge in a 228-206 vote; 223 Republicans and five Democrats voted “yes,” while 200 Democrats, five Republicans and one independent voted against it. On the other charge to pass, obstruction of justice, 216 Republicans and five Democrats voted “yes,” while 199 Democrats, 12 Republicans and one independent voted “no” ...

... during Iran-contra, Democrats controlled the House but did not push to impeach the president. Special congressional committees in the House and Senate were created to investigate the Reagan administration’s sale of weapons to Iran and the sending of money to the “contras,” a group fighting the governing regime in Nicaragua.3 There was a final, joint report that blasted the administration for violating a number of laws and suggested that Reagan — whose administration said he was unaware of the actions of his aides — should have known what was going on. The two committees, combined, had 15 Democrats and 11 Republicans. All 15 Democrats but just three of the Republicans signed on to the official report, while eight of the 11 Republicans wrote a minority report dissenting from the majority’s findings ...

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/even-the-biggest-scandals-cant-kill-party-loyalty/

Big Blue Marble

(5,093 posts)
2. Excellent piece,
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 09:47 AM
Oct 2019

offers great insights into trump's supporters processing information (or not.)

I remember the slow and frustrating unraveling of Nixon's support as
the hearings progressed. And finally when he was forced to resigned,
his core supporters were still with him. It was amazing to me and I
have always remembered that in the face of so much corruption and
obstruction, they stayed with him. I remembered this in the Bush years and
I remember it now. His core will stick with him.

Let's hope that about 10% of his shakier support and most independents soon start
to feel the anxiety as this author did. That is all we need.

It is all about messaging. We need effective and persistent messaging that
overrides the chafe and reaches these groups.

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