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kentuck

(111,103 posts)
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 09:05 AM Oct 2019

Why Trump is so intent on discrediting the Mueller Report?

Because the Mueller Report blamed Russia for interfering in our elections.

Sanctions were placed on them.

Travel by some oligarchs was restricted.

For some reason or other, Trump is insistent upon helping Vladimir Putin every chance he gets? What agreement does he have with Putin? Is it about money or something else? Did he borrow money from the Russians?

So, Putin wants to blame Ukraine and some hidden server for the attack on the DNC and the theft of their files. Trump and his lieutenants are attempting to clear Putin of any wrongdoing. Then things can go back to "normal".

It appears that Trump owes Putin a huge "favor"?

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Why Trump is so intent on discrediting the Mueller Report? (Original Post) kentuck Oct 2019 OP
Seems trump trusts rudy giuliani more than the FBI or any other intel institutions. spanone Oct 2019 #1
Good luck with that. volstork Oct 2019 #4
Fellow grifters DENVERPOPS Oct 2019 #12
Rudy was his contact to the NY FBI guys who knee capped Hillary for Comey... Wounded Bear Oct 2019 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2019 #2
I always figured the Pee Pee tapes were a red herring, at best... Wounded Bear Oct 2019 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2019 #26
Yep. Confirmation that t-rump is illegitimate . . . . Iliyah Oct 2019 #3
Just speculating aloud... Mike 03 Oct 2019 #5
I think it has more to do with what Putin wants Nictuku Oct 2019 #7
Russian Oligarchs True Blue American Oct 2019 #13
"He will rue the day he ever decided to run for office." Boy!, you got that right! usaf-vet Oct 2019 #19
Yes. And Putin owns the oligarchs. All of them. They're ALL his bitches. Texin Oct 2019 #31
Please keep reminding yourself DENVERPOPS Oct 2019 #16
Because it calls into question his "win" in 2016. Bleacher Creature Oct 2019 #6
With Barr galavanting across the globe urgently asking dewsgirl Oct 2019 #8
Because we haven't seen the real report and Trump and company have and its damning .... Botany Oct 2019 #9
Liar in chief marieo1 Oct 2019 #10
Russia's gas pipeline to southern Europe cannot proceed if sanctions are in place pecosbob Oct 2019 #11
Bingo-trump does this for putin and putin gives team trump to do trump moscow properties. My opinion iluvtennis Oct 2019 #14
so true... hkp11 Oct 2019 #15
It's all about Russian sanctions relief. Maddow has done some great reporting on this. Pepsidog Oct 2019 #17
I see it as burying history to permanently normalize a global power grab bucolic_frolic Oct 2019 #18
Sykes-Picot pecosbob Oct 2019 #22
It's for Putin. If Trump can discredit the findings berni_mccoy Oct 2019 #20
tRump knows what Barr HID by redactions. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #24
My guess is that he promised Putin... Happy Hoosier Oct 2019 #25
My take - everything they redacted is what they have gone overseas to malaise Oct 2019 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author meow2u3 Oct 2019 #28
Yep. Vlad to his errand boy: "I would like you to do us a favor, though." calimary Oct 2019 #29
It's to lift sanctions for Putin duforsure Oct 2019 #30
It is obvious....Trump has ALWAYS been Vladimir's bitch, bought and owned from day one Moostache Oct 2019 #32
Putin asked that his transcripts be released.:) True Blue American Oct 2019 #33
Discrediting Mueller was probably on Putin's original List of Honey-Do's Baked Potato Oct 2019 #34
Another possible reason: The report is full of things he could arguably be indicted for... thesquanderer Oct 2019 #35
Also... kentuck Oct 2019 #36

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
23. I always figured the Pee Pee tapes were a red herring, at best...
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 10:36 AM
Oct 2019

The real compromat on Trump has to be in the realm of money/politics.

Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #23)

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
3. Yep. Confirmation that t-rump is illegitimate . . . .
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 09:11 AM
Oct 2019

along with Pence and would also prove that the elections across the USA was tampered with also.

Putin wants Ukraine back and it looks like he is going to take it back piece by piece with the help of t-rump and the Republican party.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
5. Just speculating aloud...
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 09:14 AM
Oct 2019

We know one of his Achilles Heels is that he detests that most Americans know he was put into office by Russia's help, so he's highly motivated to discredit the Mueller Report.

But what is less often discussed is the high likelihood that Russian oligarchs laundered billions of dollars through Trump properties (one good source is Craig Unger's book "House of Putin, House of Trump&quot

Beyond that, there are still mysteries like strange bank transactions between Alfa Bank and the Trump Organization in the runup to the election, and the NRA/Russia money funnelling. He's exposed on many fronts.

So IMO it's not just that he owes Russia, but he has to please Putin to keep Putin from revealing the money angle you mention in your OP.

Nictuku

(3,614 posts)
7. I think it has more to do with what Putin wants
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 09:38 AM
Oct 2019

Do you all remember in Helsinki, when he was going against the US Intelligence and siding with Putin's denial, he said that Putin had offered him a wonderful solution, to combine Russian investigators with US investigators to get to the bottom of this? I can't remember if this is before or after the 12 Russians were indicted by Mueller, I think it was after. Putin wants those indictments and the determination that Russia was behind the hacking to go away. (so the sanctions can be lifted) And I think that is now what we are seeing with Barr and Pompeo globe trotting. Putin has been giving directives to Trump to send his people around the world to gin up these false allegations that will lead to the discrediting of the Mueller Report.

Trump is no more than Putin's puppet.

Texin

(2,596 posts)
31. Yes. And Putin owns the oligarchs. All of them. They're ALL his bitches.
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 11:11 AM
Oct 2019

They all do his bidding - or else.

If tRump is doing anything either at the behest of Putin or is directed by him specifically to do something, he's bound to do it. Why would Putin have bothered to "hope" aloud that tRump wouldn't allow anything the two of them discussed secretly in person or by telephone to be brought out into the open. It was a warning not a suggestion.

DENVERPOPS

(8,835 posts)
16. Please keep reminding yourself
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 10:19 AM
Oct 2019

Mike,

Please also mention in every post, it's not just Trump, it is the entire House and Senate Republicans that also took tons of money from Russia channeled (white washed) thru the NRA. Tens of millions of dollars in so called "PAC" funding of their individual elections.

That is why the congressional republicans are all so beholden to Trump and back him at every turn. If he goes, they go, and the entire corrupt Republican Party with them in one big flush........

Trump would get obliterated in a New York second if it weren't for the Repubs in the House, and especially the Senate.
They can't let him go down without them getting sucked into vortex.........

Thx

Bleacher Creature

(11,257 posts)
6. Because it calls into question his "win" in 2016.
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 09:19 AM
Oct 2019

As with everything else, it all comes down to his fragile ego and narcissism. Any suggestion that Russia helped him Calle into question his status as a "winner."

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
8. With Barr galavanting across the globe urgently asking
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 09:49 AM
Oct 2019

for help to discredit Mueller, I would say the timing here can't be a coincidence. House calls for impeachment, Putin wants this done ASAP.

Botany

(70,517 posts)
9. Because we haven't seen the real report and Trump and company have and its damning ....
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 09:53 AM
Oct 2019

... and it will show that the Trump campaign and Russia worked together in order to
steal the 2016 elections. Sooner or later the Mueller report is going to come out and
"they" have to discredit it.

marieo1

(1,402 posts)
10. Liar in chief
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 09:58 AM
Oct 2019

I've always thought that Putin has something on DJT - it would be interesting to find out what it is. Maybe DJT owes a huge debt with Putin and hasn't the money to pay back or something. I have a feeling we are going to find out. All a bunch of creeps.

pecosbob

(7,541 posts)
11. Russia's gas pipeline to southern Europe cannot proceed if sanctions are in place
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 10:11 AM
Oct 2019

hence the double down on controlling the pipelines passing through Ukraine. That's what the whole thing was about all along...U.S. oil companies get access to Iranian oil fields and the Russian Arctic, al Saud gets nuclear energy and gets to see the rival Shiaa bombed into nothingness and Putin gets his southern gas pipeline to Europe.

iluvtennis

(19,863 posts)
14. Bingo-trump does this for putin and putin gives team trump to do trump moscow properties. My opinion
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 10:17 AM
Oct 2019

bucolic_frolic

(43,190 posts)
18. I see it as burying history to permanently normalize a global power grab
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 10:30 AM
Oct 2019

It's about squelching opposition and the truth.

Upheavals happen every 60-70 years or so. The Civil War established laissez-faire capitalism that wasn't tethered until the Trustbusters and wasn't modified until the Election of 1932 and the New Deal. This is international oligarchs establishing a new system and sandbagging the old, where everything is a resource for the wealthy to make money.

Happy Hoosier

(7,314 posts)
25. My guess is that he promised Putin...
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 10:37 AM
Oct 2019

... he would lift sanctions in exchange for election help and keeping kompromat quiet. He can't do that unless the Ukraine invasion is accepted and Mueller discredited.

The nexus for Trump's promises are in Ukraine....

malaise

(269,057 posts)
27. My take - everything they redacted is what they have gone overseas to
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 10:42 AM
Oct 2019

undermine.

Democrats, media and everyone else need to demand the unredacted Mueller Report

Response to kentuck (Original post)

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
30. It's to lift sanctions for Putin
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 11:09 AM
Oct 2019

Did trump promise him he would plus playoffs to Putin to help in the election? Putins losing millions in his pockets is why he wants sanction gone so much.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
32. It is obvious....Trump has ALWAYS been Vladimir's bitch, bought and owned from day one
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 11:12 AM
Oct 2019

I bet dollars to donuts that Trump's last call before that ridiculous escalator ride was getting marching orders from Moscow.

He is a traitor and should be hung for treason (because we ARE at war with Russia in the 21st century and not by the 18th century definition of war in a field lining up and taking turns shooting at each other).

Trump is the worst thing to ever happen to America and its not even close for the title....he lapped the field multiple times over by now...

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
33. Putin asked that his transcripts be released.:)
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 11:22 AM
Oct 2019

And Rudy liked the former Prosecutor until he didn’t. The Prosecutor told him Biden had done nothing wrong,

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
34. Discrediting Mueller was probably on Putin's original List of Honey-Do's
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:02 PM
Oct 2019

Trumps got to knock this one out before impeachment.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
35. Another possible reason: The report is full of things he could arguably be indicted for...
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 03:20 PM
Oct 2019

...in January of 2021 when he is no longer in a position that is immune from indictment.

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
36. Also...
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 03:44 PM
Oct 2019

Knowing what we have learned about Trump in the last three years, we know that he like to project his failing onto others.

When he accuses the Bidens of making money in Ukraine, that is likely what he himself is guilty of doing. He blames others for his own crimes.

Also, I think it is significant that both he and Rudy were discussing matters in Ukraine with Paul Manafort. This was reported a day or two ago here on DU. (I don't have the link at this time)

But, Manafort and "others" were making money off the corruption in Ukraine when the Russian puppets were in charge. They were happy with the Russian prosecutor not prosecuting anyone. They seem to have lost their contacts once the previous prosecutor was fired?

In my opinion, there is much more to this story than what has been reported thus far.

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