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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA "coup" has already happened.
Fortunately for America, it is only a "partial coup".
Russia has taken over the Executive Branch of the US Government. It is difficult to admit to such an unbelievable occurrence.
But, otherwise, why all the secrecy? Why all the lies? Why all the obstruction? Why hide all the facts? Why restrict people from talking to Congress?
It could be argued that Russian propaganda, spearheaded by Donald Trump, has divided our nation into tribal camps. They now control a large part of our government, including our Justice Department and a large part of the House of Representatives. The Republicans in the US Senate have mostly surrendered to the wishes of their president.
There is only one entity that is preventing a full "coup" of our government at this time. It is the Democratic Party in the US House. Without them, our nation would have already collapsed.
malaise
(269,063 posts)History will absolve me
Ramsey Barner
(349 posts)History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it. Winston Churchill.
Roy Rolling
(6,918 posts)Winston Churchills replies would make Trump scared to use Twitter.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)a word Churchill was saying anymore than "get" his replies to Trump on Twitter. Trump,himself, would never "get" any response by Churchill on Twitter. He probably wouldn't even know who Churchill was. Seriously, he's already shown ignorance of "names" almost as well known as Churchill.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)katmondoo
(6,457 posts)DENVERPOPS
(8,835 posts)The author is late to the party.............
Change "Partial" to "nearly completed" coup.............Between the executive branch and the Republican controlled Senate and all the other destroyed entities, they are closer to the end of their takeover.
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)This semi dictatorship will go down in flames.
gab13by13
(21,362 posts)Democrats need to be prepared. It may come down to which side the military is on? Trump will not accept the results of the election if he loses, he has told us so.
kentuck
(111,104 posts)To get their ideas and pick their minds. Try to figure out if they have a strategy if something untoward were to happen?
It might be productive to discuss different scenarios with them?
Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)Been saying that since the night this country saw fit to put him into the Oval Office.
Getting him out of there (IF the country properly course corrects next November) is going to resemble the final scene in Scarface.
malaise
(269,063 posts)His power is way over-rated. He is going down.
bdamomma
(63,883 posts)hopefully he will not take us with him. I am sure after his rant today, the numbers for impeachment will increase.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)I've known several younger men with his eating and exercise habits who've had heart attacks, not to mention those in much better shape...It truly has to be "lucky genes." I'm afraid we can't count on a heart attack to disable him ( I don't wish death on anyone). A debilitating stroke would work, as well (if we would be able to tell).
malaise
(269,063 posts)is to check to see if he had one overnight
rainin
(3,011 posts)We know he accuses others of what he does. He has knowingly been in the center of a coup since 2015. It's encouraging that he thinks it is being taken away from him. I'm most afraid when he's comfortable. I need to believe it isn't over for our country.
Trump is easy to figure out, he lies and projects. During the debate when Hillary called him a Putin puppet, what did he do? He projected back to her, "you're the puppet."
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)That automatic, primary school level response...should have been the tipping point where any sane voter would write Trump off.
Cosmocat
(14,566 posts)but, decades of conservative media skull screwing this country into believing in the liberal boogyman was enough to get the country to pick a completely immoral sociopath over a decent, competent public servant ...
kentuck
(111,104 posts)They were totally turned off with our government. Years of right-wing radio, Hillary-bashing, Obama-bashing, liberal-bashing finally got their rewards.
How could anything get worse than what we had?
What have you got to lose, Trump asked?
Now we see. We had everything to lose.
it all culminated in November of 2016 ...
I just don't get how clear as day this stuff is to us, how 1/3 of the country eagerly gobbles up right wing bullshit and about another 1/3 want to believe "they are both same."
I will leave this world mystified by it.
bdamomma
(63,883 posts)pu**y" should have told everyone what a sick bastard he is.
DemocraticSocialist8
(396 posts)Yes, they ran an information war on social media against the Democratic Party...but I don't think that had nearly as much of an impact as voter suppression. I think the establishment and media focus on Russia to blame for Trump instead of actual Americans on the Right who used their positions in swing states to discount millions of votes.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)kentuck
(111,104 posts)And they got it.
malaise
(269,063 posts)I think the establishment and media focus on Russia to blame for Trump instead of actual Americans on the Right who used their positions in swing states to discount millions of votes.
GREAT POST!
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The Liberal Lion
(1,414 posts)I am not here to dissuade anyone from voting, nor to extinguish hope. I would just like to say to all that I hope you have a backup plan to merely voting. IMHO it won't be enough. And oh BTW don't expect Republicans in the Senate to suddenly have a change of heart and rekindle a fond love of "America". The downfall of trump for the Republican party and the installation of a Democratic President will open the danger of them being publicly exposed (for which many of us already privately suspect) of being at the behest of putin. I would bet any money that the conquering of America through the purchase of the GOP and it's related entities (i.e. the NRA, the Southern Baptist Convention, Fox news, etc) by putin was far cheaper than any conventional war could have been.
We are in the shit
rurallib
(62,425 posts)so the coup has the executive branch, half of congress and an increasing portion of the judiciary.
kentuck
(111,104 posts)Were Gorsuch and Kavanaugh "partisans"?
We shall know rather soon if the Judiciary has been corrupted?
FakeNoose
(32,645 posts)Just look at how close the Russians have come to controlling Congress, even if Chump hadn't won in 2016!
However we shouldn't equate Russians with the American oligarchy of the Kochs.
That's where the true and lasting damage is coming from.
kentuck
(111,104 posts)...running for office, in my opinion.
bdamomma
(63,883 posts)kentuck
(111,104 posts)Thanks!
Nitram
(22,822 posts)cries.
onetexan
(13,043 posts)malaise
(269,063 posts)He is stark raving mad
kentuck
(111,104 posts)He's scared and lying his ass off.
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)Nothing was done about that travesty of rat-fucking of the constitution. We had to stop the counting of votes, or W Bush would be harmed.
Instead, under W, who COULD NOT be harmed, we invaded and completely destroyed a foreign country based on LIES.
Nothing was done about that.
We committed actual torture on foreign combatants, as the moral leader of the world, the FUCKING UNITED STATES OF FUCKING AMERICA, thereby sinking to the level of dictators, tyrants and thugs.
Nothing was done about that.
Nixon was given an easy out, never being held accountable. But at least many of his enablers WERE, and went to jail.
This time, if WE don't hold their feet to the fire, the turd will float into retirement, while his enablers get away scot-free, knowing they can do it all again, BECAUSE THEY CAN.
Nitram
(22,822 posts)Hyperbole of this sort is kinda silly. Might sell newspapers, though...
1. Our government wasn't overthrown. Donald Trump stole an election with help from Russia.
2. Trump didn't seize power from the government. He abused the office of the presidency to coverup crimes, enrich himself, and to aid his re-election.
3. Violence was not used in the process. Threats if violence were common, but no actual violence was committed against the government or any of its officers. If they had actually engaged in violence, that would have been a coup, and the military and the intelligence community would hav stepped in.
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)NCLefty
(3,678 posts)These people need to be rooted out with vigor after this. Fuck all that.
Nitram
(22,822 posts)consists of career officials with a depth of knowledge and experience that make them unreliable in Trump's view. Most of them also have a deep loyalty to country over party.
AllaN01Bear
(18,264 posts)also it really was a coup when gore was denied too. this has been going on for a very long time.
ooky
(8,924 posts)Just based on what we've watched unfolding before our eyes, I wouldn't be shocked if they don't make a move to try to declare martial law and cancel our 2020 election.