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Demovictory9

(32,457 posts)
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 04:18 AM Oct 2019

fired! Universal Orlando character who made 'OK' symbol on 6-year-old's shoulder

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/10/01/universal-orlando-resort-fires-despicable-me-actor-after-ok-symbol/3791483002/

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Tiffiney Zinger said it was painful telling her daughter she couldn't use a family vacation photo for her second grade class project – the image was marred by what appeared to be a symbol of hate.

The photo shows the 6-year-old girl, who is biracial and has autism, posing with an actor dressed as the movie character Gru from "Despicable Me" during a Universal Orlando breakfast event attended by the Zinger family in March. The character formed an upside-down "OK" symbol with his fingers, recognized by some as a hate symbol, on the girl's shoulder, according to a photo and video reviewed by USA TODAY.

A Universal Orlando Resort spokesman said Tuesday in response to USA TODAY inquiries about the episode that the actor had been fired. The spokesman, Tom Schroder, initially declined to further comment but then issued a statement:

"We never want our guests to experience what this family did. This is not acceptable and we are sorry – and we are taking steps to make sure nothing like this happens again. We can’t discuss specifics about this incident, but we can confirm that the actor no longer works here. We remain in contact with the family and will work with them privately to make this right."
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fired! Universal Orlando character who made 'OK' symbol on 6-year-old's shoulder (Original Post) Demovictory9 Oct 2019 OP
Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #1
An innocent child imitating what she saw the character do. I'm sure the parents calmly explained it hlthe2b Oct 2019 #11
I don't see the child making the "same" sign. boston bean Oct 2019 #15
That's ridiculous! That small child isn't making a hate sign. rainin Oct 2019 #16
The child's pointer finger is the one sticking out, not the middle finger. Pacifist Patriot Oct 2019 #17
Okay, that's enough. Iggo Oct 2019 #19
"One in a row who prove the old saying..." LanternWaste Oct 2019 #22
You're trying too hard... Blue_Tires Oct 2019 #24
It isn't me who is trying to hard. whistler162 Oct 2019 #40
awwww... qazplm135 Oct 2019 #26
Racism is A-OK to some Generic Other Oct 2019 #30
Another dog whistling Generic Other Oct 2019 #31
Not OKay Generic Other Oct 2019 #32
This is how they identify themselves Generic Other Oct 2019 #35
OMG. I'd never seen that pic of Mel Gibson doing that (though his antisemitism obviously no secret) hlthe2b Oct 2019 #51
You're joking, right? StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #34
Some punk ass schlub probably went home to cry on the computer about Afromania Oct 2019 #2
Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #3
He/she was "in character"..The banana and yellow capsule were "props" whathehell Oct 2019 #5
I can not BELIEVE you are defending this, lindysalsagal hlthe2b Oct 2019 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Oct 2019 #42
I believe you meant this for the other poster. I just posted that ADL had documented its use hlthe2b Oct 2019 #44
Yep, you're right. I'll redirect it. Iggo Oct 2019 #45
.. hlthe2b Oct 2019 #46
I did it again!!! Iggo Oct 2019 #48
psst.. I think the problem is that the post you meant to respond to has apparently been hidden. hlthe2b Oct 2019 #49
LOL, no. I was trying to reply to the OP, but I keep forgetting to click on the OP first. Iggo Oct 2019 #50
Believe it. (n/t) SMC22307 Oct 2019 #47
A White Power hate symbol at a biracial, disabled child? Ilsa Oct 2019 #12
What kind of scumbag does that with a little kid? whathehell Oct 2019 #4
I gotta tell you, I would have hit DEFCON 1 if that had been my children Cosmocat Oct 2019 #29
Here come the white supremacist defenders again. RandiFan1290 Oct 2019 #6
It shocks the hell out of me to see the defense of blatant acts as this. hlthe2b Oct 2019 #9
No one's fingers naturally makes this sign. Beakybird Oct 2019 #7
For all those of you defending him.... Dorian Gray Oct 2019 #10
Agree entirely Maeve Oct 2019 #20
+1. About as unintentional as Zina Bash at the Kavanaugh hearing dalton99a Oct 2019 #21
Perhaps Disney reviewed the digital images of their house photogs and noticed a trend. TheBlackAdder Oct 2019 #23
Universal obamanut2012 Oct 2019 #37
Yep.... Dorian Gray Oct 2019 #41
Stomach churning. His ass deserved to be fired. boston bean Oct 2019 #13
The OK symbol is now no longer the OK symbol under some LuckyCharms Oct 2019 #14
An "own the libs" fail, it would seem. whathehell Oct 2019 #18
Too bad we don't know this cowards identity MagickMuffin Oct 2019 #25
How do we know the actor was fired and won't be appearing as Goofy on Thursdays? Sneederbunk Oct 2019 #27
Goofy would be Disney. And as an AP holder for the last 20 dewsgirl Oct 2019 #28
why would Universal risk him behaving like that in another costume? theme parks are very Demovictory9 Oct 2019 #39
That was blatant. Catherine Vincent Oct 2019 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2019 #53
Good. Universal Orlando obviously found cause on investigating, Hortensis Oct 2019 #36
Those assholes have ruined my ability to use this... progressoid Oct 2019 #38
The scumbag. yortsed snacilbuper Oct 2019 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2019 #52
How ironic that the actor is in costume from the... 3catwoman3 Oct 2019 #54

Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
11. An innocent child imitating what she saw the character do. I'm sure the parents calmly explained it
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 06:15 AM
Oct 2019

in a way such a young child could understand.

You think that they should REPRIMAND her? REALLY? Are you trying to defend the adult a'hole in costume by pointing out the child was mimicking? That so misses the point of what is happening here.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
15. I don't see the child making the "same" sign.
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 06:49 AM
Oct 2019

Even if he were you think a child that age would understand and he should be reprimanded by his parents.

Nice deflection but truly useless comment.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
16. That's ridiculous! That small child isn't making a hate sign.
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 06:56 AM
Oct 2019

The adult clearly is. And of course, when the child is much older, he/she can be taught about hate signs. Much older.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
17. The child's pointer finger is the one sticking out, not the middle finger.
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 08:17 AM
Oct 2019

It's not the same hand position. It also looks like more natural hand positioning and was caught in motion because of the blurring in the photo. He wasn't standing there "making a sign."

You might want to rethink your comment.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
26. awwww...
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 11:09 AM
Oct 2019

someone doesn't know their index finger from their middle finger.

Keep working at it...you'll get there.

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
51. OMG. I'd never seen that pic of Mel Gibson doing that (though his antisemitism obviously no secret)
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 09:21 PM
Oct 2019

Do you know when that occurred?

Afromania

(2,769 posts)
2. Some punk ass schlub probably went home to cry on the computer about
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 05:11 AM
Oct 2019

how brown people in Amerika are keeping them down. You're keeping yourself down by being too damn stupid for reality. His/her sorry ass couldn't just do their fucking job and take a picture with a special needs child. NO, this mother fucker has to go out of their gotdamn way to do that shit.

So, now they... no.. it.. is, like I said before, out their crying about losing their job and the consequences behind it and putting the blame on the people accosted with that fucking (I have no word for it other than guttoral sounds) garbage.

How fucking hard would it have been to just not do any fucking thing? Take the fucking picture and move along? These sick fucks can't avoid to take any chance they can to do weasel shit like this. You wonder

Everybody worried about a civil war in this country remember that their ranks have to be filled with crunchy trash like this person above. Remember that voting for that "guy" took the same sort of cowardly mentality as the person in the suit up there and these people like to fight proxy wars.

Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
5. He/she was "in character"..The banana and yellow capsule were "props"
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 05:53 AM
Oct 2019

The hand gesture was not. What is it you don't understand?

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
8. I can not BELIEVE you are defending this, lindysalsagal
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 06:11 AM
Oct 2019

I just can't...

THIS is what you are defending:


'OK' is now a hate symbol, the ADL says

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/26/us/adl-new-hate-symbols/index.html

Response to hlthe2b (Reply #8)

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
44. I believe you meant this for the other poster. I just posted that ADL had documented its use
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 09:12 PM
Oct 2019

as a white power/white nationalist symbol...

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
49. psst.. I think the problem is that the post you meant to respond to has apparently been hidden.
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 09:20 PM
Oct 2019


Oh, well.

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
50. LOL, no. I was trying to reply to the OP, but I keep forgetting to click on the OP first.
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 09:21 PM
Oct 2019

Oy vey.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
12. A White Power hate symbol at a biracial, disabled child?
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 06:25 AM
Oct 2019

The family couldn't use the pic because of the hate speech.

Cosmocat

(14,566 posts)
29. I gotta tell you, I would have hit DEFCON 1 if that had been my children
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 11:48 AM
Oct 2019

Would have taken every last bit of restraint I had from drop kicking him (presumably) and absolutely would have demanded to speak a manager right then and there.

Good on these folks for dealing with it.

RandiFan1290

(6,237 posts)
6. Here come the white supremacist defenders again.
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 05:56 AM
Oct 2019

They can't wait to show up in these threads to defend these people.
I am just glad they can't use the ADL as an excuse anymore.

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
9. It shocks the hell out of me to see the defense of blatant acts as this.
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 06:12 AM
Oct 2019

Does it take the "actor" holding a noose in his hand to make it clear?

Beakybird

(3,333 posts)
7. No one's fingers naturally makes this sign.
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 06:00 AM
Oct 2019

It's intentional. The little child is imitating the Gru character.
This is a recognized white supremacist symbol.

Dorian Gray

(13,496 posts)
10. For all those of you defending him....
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 06:15 AM
Oct 2019

Universal fired him. So there must have been some evidence that it was an intentional racist slight on his part, rather than an unintentional hand sign.

I know a lot of people out there haven't realized or read about the okay sign being co-opted as a white supremcist sign. But in this instance, on the kids shoulder, he isn't giving an OKAY to the camera. He's hiding the symbol while resting it on the child's shoulder.

Perhaps he has a history of this. Perhaps he's said some racist stuff while at work. Perhaps evidence of his attitude is apparent, and the firing warranted.

And sarcastically defending this as people being "too sensitive" is really ugly.

TheBlackAdder

(28,209 posts)
23. Perhaps Disney reviewed the digital images of their house photogs and noticed a trend.
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 09:19 AM
Oct 2019

.

That is not a natural hand gesture and requires forethought.

.

obamanut2012

(26,080 posts)
37. Universal
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:02 PM
Oct 2019

And, I am betting they did this with minority kids, and the inventory you mentioned is something they did and nailed him.

Dorian Gray

(13,496 posts)
41. Yep....
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 08:56 PM
Oct 2019

If they got a complaint, they probably went through everything he's done. Interviewed coworkers about his (I assume his) rhetoric.

LuckyCharms

(17,444 posts)
14. The OK symbol is now no longer the OK symbol under some
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 06:46 AM
Oct 2019

circumstances because it has been co-opted for real, even though that action started as a purported hoax to "own the libs". That phase is gone now, because it has now morphed into bona fied hate symbol if used in certain contexts.

So I guess that means that when someone uses it, one must look at the context in which it was used.

In this context, my initial reaction would be that it is being used by this prick as a hate symbol, especially since he was fired for it...because I'm assuming a determination was made by management before the firing took place.

MagickMuffin

(15,943 posts)
25. Too bad we don't know this cowards identity
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 11:06 AM
Oct 2019

He gets to remain a Despicable, at least he deserves that for the rest of his DESPICABLE life!!!



dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
28. Goofy would be Disney. And as an AP holder for the last 20
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 11:41 AM
Oct 2019

years Universal will not put up with this nonsense, period.

Demovictory9

(32,457 posts)
39. why would Universal risk him behaving like that in another costume? theme parks are very
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 02:54 PM
Oct 2019

careful about who they allow to hold positions that interact with the public

Response to Catherine Vincent (Reply #33)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
36. Good. Universal Orlando obviously found cause on investigating,
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:00 PM
Oct 2019

AND this creep gets to look for a new job with this on his record. The article doesn't identify him, but his name's likely on social media somewhere, or will be.

Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

3catwoman3

(24,007 posts)
54. How ironic that the actor is in costume from the...
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 09:36 PM
Oct 2019

...Despicable Me movie. Damn right you are despicable.

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