You know what is the most insane thing about Trump's criminal gambit?

[Kablooie]

None of the dirt he wanted exists!
It all comes from right wing conspiracy fantasies and has no basis in reality.

Biden's son was investigated years ago and it was determined that there was no irregular activity at all.
Crowdstrike, who discovered the DNC hack, has been monitoring Russian hackers for years.
He could never come up with any information that Crowdstrike and the DNC faked the Russian hack because they didn't.

The fool has destroyed himself running after an imaginary shadow.
Just like Obama's birth certificate and global warming, Trump believes all the stupidest conspiracy theories.

He's the president. If he thought there was a problem with anyone anywhere in the world he could just tell the CIA to find out about it and in a short time be handed a full, accurate report. The fact he ignores all the power he has at his fingertips and sends his idiot private lawyer to investigate is just insane.

But that's the way he swings.

He is truly a total moronic imbecile and should be institutionalized away from the general public.

[madaboutharry]

1. Your analysis is very accurate.

[RockRaven]

2. He would have been totally content with fabricated "dirt" on the Bidens.

It would not make a bit of difference to Trump if the smears of Hunter and Joe are fact-based or internet fever dreams, just as long as Ukraine claimed they were true.

[pandr32]

10. +1

[uponit7771]

16. +1

[struggle4progress]

43. +!

[PatSeg]

45. Yes

I don't think Trump ever believed most of the conspiracy theories, he promoted them for political advantage. I am quite sure Trump knew that Obama was born in Hawaii, but spreading false rumors was what he'd done for decades as a businessman. He likes the drama and chaos it causes.

He didn't want the Ukrainians to FIND a Biden scandal, he wanted them to create one. Apparently Trump thinks everyone is as dishonest and conniving as he is.

[soldierant]

46. Exactly.

In other words, no, it wasn't insane. It was merely criminal.

[PatSeg]

50. Well, to paraphrase Richard Nixon

"Well, when Trump does it, that means that it is not criminal." And that's not an exaggeration. Trump seems somehow to believe he is entitled to do whatever, whenever he wants, but god help everyone else.

[maddiemom]

48. And it looks like those guys Trump sent to Hawaii...

(we won't BELIEVE what they found out about Obama) never came back.

[PatSeg]

49. He must have been so pissed off

when they didn't come back!!!

But in all seriousness, shame on the mainstream media for giving him prime time coverage for all that crap. Trump has used the media for decades to put the spotlight on himself and they let him. They bear a lot of responsibility for the nightmare we've been living in for the last two and half years.

[Maeve]

60. I agree--if they had called him out on the birther nonsense years ago

and shown him up for the fool he is, we wouldn't be dealing with this crap now.

Likewise, if the tax people in NY and DC were doing due diligence...

[PatSeg]

61. Exactly

I couldn't believe that reputable journalists were actually interviewing him, as if he was in some way credible or important. And they didn't push back on his BS. How hard is it to just say "no" to an interview with a man who was a known con artist and publicity hog? How did they go from sitting down with world leaders to a ridiculous carnival act like Trump. They gave the fool credibility is what he craved.

[certainot]

53. i have a feeling this idiot does believe a lot of it. the russians told him to study talk radio in

2014 and that's why he got sam nunberg to listen "to 1000s of hours of talk radio" in 2014 in prepping for the election and and coordinating with russian trolls. he's a friend and neighbor of limbaugh and i'll bet the russians have been feeding talk radio generally through blowhards like limbaugh for a decade. all they have to do is feed limbaugh and if trump believes his political mentor limbo is talking truth he may actually believe that shit.

almost everything trump has done on major issues might as well have come out of limbo's ass

[Glimmer of Hope]

3. He wanted some fabricated nonsense.

[forgotmylogin]

35. One thing you can't fault the world's ugliest pinata for...

...imagination.

[Hoyt]

4. But, trump wanted it manufactured by Ukrainians. Thankfully, they were ethical.

They could have made something up that hurt both Bidens.

[saidsimplesimon]

5. The intelligence community has

been thrown under the bus.

It would really be sad if the don passed away while gorging on a bucket of KFC. Not suggesting this is a possibility.

[proud patriot]

12. did you hear about their new sandwich?

fried chicken between 2 doughnuts .. I wonder if trump likes that Sandwich .

[warmfeet]

41. One can choke on the bones

if not careful.

[DrToast]

6. Pretty sure he knows there was nothing there re: Biden

The Crowdstrike thing? That’s straight up bizarre.

[regnaD kciN]

7. He didn't want an investigation...

He wanted the Ukrainian president to lie and fabricate evidence to implicate the Bidens. Period.

And, until we make it clear that this is what he wanted to trade taxpayer dollars for, we won’t sell impeachment to the American people.

[ProfessorPlum]

33. The American people are already massively on board

For impeachment, whether they have grasped this subtlety or not.

[JI7]

8. Trump wanted Ukraine to make something up

[brush]

9. Well, his name is Don...sort of a modern-day Don Quixote, tilting at imagined windmills and the...

Ukrainians wouldn't play along.

Thanks for this excellent perspective.

[tblue37]

15. Don Quixote was a good man, an idealist. Trump is more like a mafia don. nt

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[brush]

21. No disagreement with that but both were madmen on misguided missions.

[Buns_of_Fire]

37. ...but Vito Corleone, he ain't. Or Michael.

He's got Sonny's hot-headedness and ham-handed resolution of problems. But he's definitely Fredo.

[tblue37]

38. Yep. Fredo. nt

[Wednesdays]

11. He didn't go to the CIA because he's paranoid

Rudy's really the only one he trusts.

[Thomas Hurt]

13. I agree except it remains to be seen whether he destroyed himself...

The independents still have not warmed to impeaching the amoral pig, the Senate as it is now will not convict and remove.

Pursue the impeachment sure because his deeds have to be exposed to bring more independents against Trump and maybe bring a few Repubs on board.

[tblue37]

17. We've barely begun with publicizing the info about this crime. nt

[Kablooie]

14. It's also bizarre that he wanted Ukraine to produce corrupt information for him...

right after they had successfully made an effort to eliminate corruption at the behest of the U.S.

[mgardener]

18. No

He should be impeached.
It will hopefully act as a deterrent for other would be criminals and republicans.
He deserves to be impeached for what he has done.
It will also hopefully prevent Ivanka or Jared from entering politics. Or Don jr.
Jail is too good for the Trump criminal family

[Pluvious]

19. All because he believed Fox New - epic irony n/t

[ecstatic]

20. Who pushed the fake conspiracy? Fox News?

trump will be the first president* in history to be impeached and removed from office, all because he believed the lies put out there by Fox News. Maybe the GOP needs to rethink their strategy going forward?

[certainot]

56. Fox is the visual icing on the lie turd pie of talk radio, the cartoon cliff notes for talk

radio

talk radio is the only major medium with no free speech challenge. fox has to pretend to be 'balanced' and people have quick free easy alternatives a click away. liberals watch it, monitor it and like here, talk about it. there are always a few contrary opinions, even if token.

talk radio is what the russians have been feeding for 10 years

sam nunberg says he listened to "1000s of hours of talk radio" for trump in 2014 and dickhead was getting 'reports'. wtf would cheapskate trump pay a semi-lawyer to listen to talk radio?

that's how they coordinated with the russians right under our noses. kremlin feeds limbaugh maybe through solomon or breitbart or corsi, etc who feeds 1500 radio stations.

everything trump does comes out of limbaugh's ass, his friend and neighbor in FL

americans suck in their defense of whistleblowers and democrats involved in this

[KY_EnviroGuy]

22. America can't be the shining beacon on the hill so long as....

one of her major political parties create their own alternate reality stories and promote massive public media campaigns to promote them to numerous politicians and public/social media outlets. Even some of W's operatives admitted they do that regularly with no remorse.

I suspect most of these fictitious stories are created by a few central figures, perhaps working for right-wing think tanks or right-wing media corporations such as Fox or Sinclair Broadcasting. Those talking point memos are then emailed to hundreds of government and media recipients each day (just like the talking point memo that was erroneously sent to Democrats early this week).

It's easy enough to do when you have no morals and these lies can be highly effective....

[BlancheSplanchnik]

23. The right wing lie machine. Enraging. n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

24. And people actually love Hillary and Obama. What he craves. Even

If he has to get a bunch of lunatics to love him.

[NoMoreRepugs]

25. Solid analysis.

The Orange Menace an idiot? ABSOLUTELY.

The Rethug Congresscritters come across as asshats? ABSOLUTELY.

Our Democratic Congresscritters come across as professional and thorough? ABSOLUTELY.

Proud to be a lifelong Democrat. YOUBETYOURASS.

[3catwoman3]

31. The Orange Idiot is a menace...

...also works.

[IronLionZion]

26. He insults and disrespects the CIA and doesn't read their reports

so of course he would have whistleblowers from the CIA come forward when they catch him committing crimes

[Retrograde]

28. He's dirty, so he assumes everyone else is as well (n/t)

[dlk]

29. Just like Hillary's emails-nothing inappropriate or illegal was ever there

This was the real witch hunt (and Hillary is not a witch).

[Initech]

30. They just made the whole thing up!

They made up the Clinton Foundation, they made up Pizzagate, they made up Seth Rich, they made up the e-mail scandal, they made up Benghazi, they made up Fast & Furious, everything they've done since Obama took office has been made up. It's been made up, tweeted, retweeted, parroted 24 hours a day by Fox News, AM hate radio, and RW Christian propaganda. It's all one big, colossal shit show.

Time to flush it once and for all.

[SeaTownBlue]

32. If I Had A Dollar For Every Lie They Told About Hillary Clinton

I would be richer than god. Or the Koch brothers.

[Mad Lib]

34. Find or create?

I don't think her really expected them to find dirt, I think he was telling them to create dirt. You know, a "favor".

[subana]

36. the fact that he could extort fake info from Ukraine

& that they would give that to them is the really crazy part! But republicans seem to have a habit of doing that. Remember in 2012 when Ryan was Romney's running mate & he tried to say that Obama cut medicare funding? Obama didn't do that but republicans did try to do that! And when Bill Clinton spoke at the convention he said it takes brass [balls] to accuse the other side of doing something that you did!

Nicolle Wallace just showed a comment from Chris Wallace on Fox today who said there was a lot of bad, credible evidence in the whistleblower's report. And to argue in support of Trump is trying to make nothing out of something!

After Watergate, especially when Ford gave Nixon a pardon, there was a lot of mistrust of people in government & especially republicans! I've always thought that was the main reason why Carter was elected because he seemed like such an honest person. People just wanted someone they could believe in again. Of course after he was elected, he did seem to be skilled in diplomacy but I thought it was his honesty that got him elected.

[grantcart]

39. It is, in fact, the perfect example of a witch hunt.

[FreeWheatForever]

40. No need for real dirt

Was there anything real about Pizza gate? Benghazi? Seth Rich?
It is all about giving the ever shrinking Cult 45's a reason to hate the 'Democrat' party.
They do not care about the Joe and Hunter Biden truth. They have their red meat.
Delusion is in their DNA.
Carry on.

[bucolic_frolic]

42. Trump's henchmen are a shadow government

while shelving the existing government. It's insane.

[Shoonra]

44. Trump's motives, Ukraine's options

I believe that Trump did not withhold military aid to Ukraine in order to pressure the Ukrainian govt to investigate Hunter Biden. I think he withheld the military aid as part of his cozy relationship with Putin, since the military aid was supposed to be used against Russian invaders. It was only fortuitous that Trump thought he could additionally squeeze a favor from the Ukraine govt.

And Trump probably didn't expect that an investigation would actually reveal dirt about Hunter Biden, but he hoped that Ukraine would be so desperate to please him and get the military aid he was blocking that the Ukrainians would falsify some dirt simply to gratify Trump. After all, Trump is and has been quite willing to use false assertions in the place of facts.

[NCLefty]

47. After 8 times harassing the guy, he was clearly pushing for *manufactured* dirt.

It didn't matter.

... and he called Hillary "crooked." :/

[MFGsunny]

51. If MF45's behavior isn't "clear and present danger"

to our national security, what is??????????????????

[Dopers_Greed]

52. It doesn't matter that the dirt didn't exist

The fake scandals (email server and DNC leaks) sunk Clinton in 2016.

News about even just a new Ukrainian probe of the Bidens starting could have been extremely damaging.

[agincourt]

54. He needed help from Zelensky for a plausible frame up

If it were just uncovering stuff, he would not have to go through those top channels. I worry if it had not came to the surface he could
have had Putin create more intense situations in Eastern Ukraine. More leverage so to speak, it's entirely possible.

[spanone]

55. Tin-Pot-Dictator...

Noun. (plural tin-pot dictators) An autocratic ruler with little political credibility, but with self-delusions of grandeur.

[Kablooie]

57. Trump knew the Biden info didn't exist.

He was told several times that it was debunked long before but he still pressed for more info on it.
Why would he demand info on something he knew was impossible?

Because he thought it would force the Ukrainians to create false information in order to please him.
If they came up with something he could use it against Biden and when it was shown to be false he could blame the Ukrainians.
That way he could get his invented dirt and not take the blame when it was exposed.

That's how he gets away with everything.
He is expert at always getting others to take the fall for his own crimes.

Only this time his meeting leaked out instead of the fake dirt.

[study war no more]

58. it doesn't matter if it's the truth

Those that want to believe him WILL believe him.

Does no one remember how Kerry got swiftboated?

[bigbrother05]

59. Unlike the Trump and his kids, Joe reported to Ethics and Hunter was clear