DAMN !!! So no wonder stupid ass'd Trump admitted to soliciting an investigation against Biden!!

[uponit7771]

These people are so damn stupid !!

Impeachable doesn't mean illegal !!

Red Don is looking at the illegality of actions vs impeachable offenses so to ... HIM ... as long as its not illegal he can do it.

The illegal act is keeping the whistle blower complaint, that was seen as credible by Trumps own IG, from reaching congress.

The IMPEACHABLE act is soliciting Ukraine to investigate a potential political opponent !!

I'm seeing this on mixed aisle forums that there's no spin from MAGA Land on this issue other than "see ... nothing illegal" in the transcript but make excuses about Barr's pretzel logic on who's a WB.


Anyone look into FAUX News coverage?

[leftstreet]

1. Ah. You're absolutely right

I hadn't thought of that til now

[Mike 03]

2. It's not illegal to conspire with your personal attorney and the Attorney General of the United

States to shake down a foreign ally?

[struggle4progress]

5. Richard Nixon: Well, when the president does it, that means it is not illegal.

Great interviews of the 20th century

[uponit7771]

7. Yes, if it can clearly be called a thing of value. The DOJ just resently said there was nothing of

... value to be gotten from the Ukraine so it isn't against SEC rules.

[unblock]

3. fair point, though i think it's probably illegal as well.

sedition?
misappropriation of public resources for personal gain?

[uponit7771]

8. Yes, but its not as clear cut on its face that RG did something illegal as the admission that they

... wanted Ukraine to do something impeachable.

[Flo Mingo]

4. I agree

Both acts are illegal but even if the Ukraine story has flaws, ala GWB's service records, the illegal act still happened, the attempt to keep/hide the report from Congress.

Either one SHOULD be a problem. But as always with this admin. we have to wait and see.

[gratuitous]

6. Any impeachment inquiry is going to proceed in a target rich environment

Remember the Mueller Report? Mueller didn't bring any charges because he was working under the constraint that a sitting president can't be indicted, that accusing the president of a crime is the sole purview of the House. Mueller, however, did say, "If we had confidence the President did not commit a crime, we would have said so." And they didn't say so. If the impeachment inquiry goes no further than the subjects covered in the Mueller report, there will be crimes a-plenty that have nothing to do with Trump's attempt to use his office for personal political gain.

[Buckeyeblue]

9. Impeachment will happen but the Senate won't convict

Unless there is more to this that we can get to. I mean, I'm sure there is more. I'd like to hear the actual call. But as things stand right now, I don't see a conviction.

[uponit7771]

10. If no conviction then get the 6 GOP that would turn the senate to dem control on record

[Buckeyeblue]

11. I agree

If they won't convict then they will have to own this during their reelection campaign. I bet a lot of Senators start retiring.