We're actually one of the better countries in the OECD about homelessness

[Recursion]

Just thinking of this as Trump turns his panopticon towards the homeless: we're actually one of the better countries in the OECD as far as homelessness goes. And a lot of the social democracies are looking at the policies we've been adopting and adopting them themselves. Our homelessness rate is significantly lower than France's, Germany's, or any of the Low Countries or Scandinavia. I'm not saying things are perfect but we seem to have a better handle on at least this one issue than most of our friends. We certainly don't need radical resettlement programs.

[applegrove]

1. Plus people are attracted the california's weather and then find housing prices extreme.

[wasupaloopa]

2. If homeless come here because of the temperature,

they sure as hell are not looking to buy a house.

Yes our housing is expensive which is a reason people leave.

[applegrove]

3. Rent is high too. Real estate values means rooming houses are not

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a money maker as they are in the less valued areas of, say, Ottawa.

[wasupaloopa]

5. Rent went up because of investors buying houses that were foreclosed on and renting them, packageing

the rents into bundles like they did to subprime loans.

[Hortensis]

4. Bumped for more awareness.

Here's Wikipedia's list of countries by homeless population, noting that definitions of homelessness vary by nation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homeless_population

I'm from California, and we always knew that, until the Supreme Court supposedly put an end to it, for many decades municipal authorities many other states were sending their homeless to us. That slowed it down, but of course people also come by themselves.

The city of San Bernardino, in the desert east of LA, always gt a strangely large number of homeless. Until you understood that it was the first sizable city buses arrived at after long, tiring trips across the Great Plains and desert, and a lot of people just said enough and got off.

[Celerity]

6. the US rate is much higher than all of the Nordic nations except for Sweden, and higher

than many other EU (and non EU) countries as well. Sweden has a unique issue with the large majority of the homeless being Romanian organised gangs of Roma beggars (who flooded into the nation as soon as Romania qualified for right of EU movement) or denied asylum seekers/refugees (Sweden, unlike the other Nordics, has taken in the US population-adjusted equivalent of around 50 million refugees since the start of the 2nd US Iraq war.)

So no, you did not even get your basic facts correct, sorry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homeless_population

[Recursion]

8. Looks like Wiki needs an update

http://www.oecd.org/els/family/HC3-1-Homeless-population.pdf

We're lower than UK, Sweden, NZ, Netherlands, Greece, Germany, France, Canada, and Australia. Norway and Finland both just passed us in the past decade, mostly by adopting US-style housing first tactics.

[Celerity]

9. your link doesnt contradict what I already posted, it reinforces it, and now you are claiming

that the US model is what the Nordics (for example) have adopted.

Yours is the one that needs updating (look at the dates)

I am in the Nordics now, and there is very little that they take away from the US models for most all social welfare programmes (thank dog).


Your link's table



my link's table (sorted, yours cannot be)

[Recursion]

10. So we're in agreement the US is doing better than the OECD average? Awesome

This is one thing we're handling better than most of the social democracies.

[JonLP24]

11. Are you sure?

Arizona has even less services than when I was homeless and the main reason why I am not homeless is because I'm a veteran and there are services from the federal government. I'm sure some Democratic leaning states do a better job even Salt Lake City has some good ideas but there seems to be very little in this country to help people or even prevent the cause of homelessness in the first place. We were foreclosed on in the aftermath of the great recession which was caused by policies from the US government.

[Celerity]

12. there are 36 members of the OECD, 24 have lower rates, 2 have the same, 9 have higher, and Germany

which is one of the one the ones with a higher rate, includes 350,000 HOUSED (albeit temporary) asylum seekers or it would be lower as well. France is slightly higher, and the big one with a terrible rate is my other nation of citizenship, the UK. Sweden, as I have explained, is also, like Germany, artificially skewed higher as well, again due to asylum seekers (Sweden and Germany took in MASSIVE numbers %-wise compared to the rest of the EU) and Roma transient groups.


So no, the US is higher than the average OECD nation, not lower.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OECD#Current_members

The following have the same (2, Austria and the Netherlands) or lower rates than the US (I put in links for ones not in the table) many are much lower:

Australia
Austria
Belgium
Canada
Chile
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Japan
Latvia
Lithuania
Mexico
Netherlands
Luxembourg (now lower)
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Slovakia
Slovenia
South Korea
Spain
Switzerland
Turkey



The nine OECD nations that have higher rates than the US:

Czech Republic
France (.04% higher than the US)
Germany (artificially skewed above the US by 350,000 housed asylum seekers, so expect it to go down rapidly over the next few years)
Greece (.01% higher than the US)
Ireland (.04% higher than the US)
Israel (the vast majority are Palestinians and African-descent Jews)
New Zealand (the highest OECD rate, but the government is investing billions to lower it, so hopefully it is fixed within 5 or ten years)
United Kingdom
Sweden (again, the vast majority are artificially introduced transient Romanian beggar gangs who constantly rotate in and out of the country, and then the denied asylum seekers who fled deportation, take those away and the numbers are much much lower %-wise than the US.)

[GulfCoast66]

7. Does not surprise me. I go to Europe almost every year for the past 7 years.

While I like many things about various European countries, I don’t see them as examples of perfection. The number of homeless seem as high there as here. And their panhandlers much more aggressive in my admittedly limited experience. And like here, concentrated in big cities.

The saddest thing I see are the fully veiled women in Paris laying almost prostrate on the sidewalk with a bowl in front of them ever couple of hundred yards on the busy sidewalks. Don’t really understand that although the French I spoke with have their ideas.