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yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 05:29 PM Sep 2019

Americans increasingly reject religion as politicians in Pennsylvania reject atheists and agnostics

Religious leaders seeking state support for their faiths should look to Europe, where government protection hasn't fixed declining participation rates.

When the obituary is written for Christianity in America, Fields v. Speaker of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives will merit at least a footnote.

In this verdict, a federal court ruled that the Pennsylvania Legislature could invite guest chaplains to offer opening prayers while barring atheists from giving secular invocations. It's clear that the intent and effect is to favor Christianity: Although the statehouse has had a few token representatives of other religions, the overwhelming majority of legislative prayers — over 90 percent — have been given by Christian clergy.

This is a disastrous decision. It consigns Pennsylvania's atheist and agnostic citizens to second-class status, denying them equal opportunity before the law and shutting them out from the elected officials who are supposed to represent them.

It's the definition of a religious test, something the U.S. Constitution explicitly forbids. The court's ruling sidestepped these arguments and asserted that legislative prayer passes muster merely because of "historical tradition," an absurd argument that implies that constitutional violations become OK if they've been going on for long enough.

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Americans increasingly reject religion as politicians in Pennsylvania reject atheists and agnostics (Original Post) yortsed snacilbuper Sep 2019 OP
Rather than a xian unctuous leader, how about a good old Pastafarian with a Sacred Colander? erronis Sep 2019 #1
What are they gonna do, Faux pas Sep 2019 #2
Tradition vs law? procon Sep 2019 #3
"historical tradition" hvn_nbr_2 Sep 2019 #4
sure looks like favoring a religion, to me Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #5

erronis

(15,275 posts)
1. Rather than a xian unctuous leader, how about a good old Pastafarian with a Sacred Colander?
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 05:44 PM
Sep 2019

Seems to be a true religion. About the same testing of fitness as the caths and pedophilia is not de rigeur.

Not sure PA is ready for something like that.

Just wondering how many Amish/Mennonites have been invited to address their inaugust bodies.

procon

(15,805 posts)
3. Tradition vs law?
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 07:08 PM
Sep 2019

A tradition that promotes discrimination, bigotry, misogyny, falsehoods and ignorance is not doing anyone any good.

Not too long ago the US maintained a tradition of lynching people. This country also has a long tradition of discriminating against minorities, women, ethnic groups, other religious sects and the poor. Do we throw aside the rule of law and let the tyrany of the majority take precedence?

The shouldn't be any sort of continuing between religion and politics. If it's necessary to remind these governing bodies to do their job without passion or prejudice, then read a few lines from our Constitution instead.

hvn_nbr_2

(6,486 posts)
4. "historical tradition"
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 07:39 PM
Sep 2019

slavery
separate but "equal"
no female voters
child labor
no such thing as a weekend
robber barons
Well, you get the idea.

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