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dajoki

(10,678 posts)
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:13 AM Sep 2019

21 British Conservatives put country over party. Why can't 21 Republicans do the same?

21 British Conservatives put country over party. Why can’t 21 Republicans do the same?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/04/british-conservatives-put-country-over-party-why-cant-republicans-do-same/?arc404=true

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Not only that, but they also would be prevented from standing as parliamentary candidates at the next election. They would be out of politics. Finished. Yet all of them, all 21 of them, did it anyway. Why?

Firstly, they did it because — of course — it’s an idiotic idea for Britain to sever, from one day to the next, all of its relationships with all of its closest and most important neighbors: not just trade but also security arrangements, scientific agreements, legal pacts, diplomatic deals, everything. During the Brexit referendum campaign, nobody ever said this kind of total break was a possibility, nobody voted for it and only a minority of the public say they support it now. The 21 Tory rebels know that the diplomatic and economic consequences of a break like this, without transitional treaties and negotiated arrangements, will last for decades. Just about everybody else knows this, too, including the prime minister, Boris Johnson. But only 21 members of the party were willing to act

Secondly, they did it because a few days earlier, Johnson had announced a suspension of Parliament that will begin next week. This unprecedented abuse of power was accompanied by a series of open lies, bullying language and threats of a kind that Conservative governments don’t, historically, use toward their members. The 21 Tory rebels aren’t just standing against an ugly legal and economic mess; they also are standing up in favor of constitutional, behavioral and legal norms that they see being broken. They are standing up for a set of parliamentary traditions and customs that they fear will be destroyed forever

Thirdly, they did it because they know — everybody knows — that members of the current Tory leadership have chosen this destructive path not for the sake of the country, not for the well-being of the British, not for the future of their children, but because they are afraid that, having promised Brexit and failed to deliver, they will lose the next election. They are putting party over country. By contrast, the 21 Tory rebels have decided to put country over party, indeed country over career, in defiance of their leaders

These 21 rebels, in other words, stood up against a national leader from their own party in order to prevent him from harming the country, undermining the constitution and damaging democracy. Imagine how different American politics would be if we could find 21 Republican senators to do the same

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21 British Conservatives put country over party. Why can't 21 Republicans do the same? (Original Post) dajoki Sep 2019 OP
$$$$ NRaleighLiberal Sep 2019 #1
⇧ ⇧ ⇧ ⇧ ⇧ ⇧ ⇧ ⇧⇧ ⇧ ⇧ ⇧ ⇧ spanone Sep 2019 #9
So much this TheRealNorth Sep 2019 #10
Because they're selfish assholes. Hotler Sep 2019 #2
Different breed of people. grumpyduck Sep 2019 #3
Republicans value $ over everything. People, country, integrity. Guilded Lilly Sep 2019 #4
+1000 smirkymonkey Sep 2019 #15
Thicker insulation JHB Sep 2019 #5
They can run as Independents or join another Party malaise Sep 2019 #6
21 out of over 300 malthaussen Sep 2019 #7
K&R UTUSN Sep 2019 #8
There are not 21 elected Repugs in the entire country who put country over party. lark Sep 2019 #11
In UK politics, being deselected isn't the end of their political career. mwooldri Sep 2019 #12
Look at the rules for elections in the UK compared to the US PSPS Sep 2019 #13
They've been playing the long game & are a hair's width from attaining control of everything. CrispyQ Sep 2019 #14

TheRealNorth

(9,498 posts)
10. So much this
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:54 AM
Sep 2019

Economic uncertainty surrounding Brexit is not good for the investment class (unless you have connections to insider information- then economic uncertainty is a boon).

malthaussen

(17,216 posts)
7. 21 out of over 300
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:51 AM
Sep 2019

All honor to them, but the Party is still a bunch of...

They can still stand for Parliament, just not as Tories. They could join another party, or even run as an Independent. Financing might be a problem, but they might also get a boost in their consistuencies for their show of character.

-- Mal

lark

(23,147 posts)
11. There are not 21 elected Repugs in the entire country who put country over party.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:54 AM
Sep 2019

These are profiteering Russian Repugs who only care for themselves, power and $$$. They are fine with stealing everything from the poor and middle class because they are diverting it to their own and their donors pockets for power and fun.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
12. In UK politics, being deselected isn't the end of their political career.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:56 AM
Sep 2019

Yes having the whip withdrawn means they cannot stand as a Conservative in an upcoming election. It doesn't mean that they can't stand for re-election under another party or even as an independent. $500 and signatures from 10 voters in the constituency nominating a person gets them on the ballot paper.

Some of the rebels are popular enough to be able to stand as an independent and win (e.g. Ken Clarke). Others can win by being tactical. If my MP Anne Milton switched to the Lib Dems she would have a shot of winning as the constituency is heavily Remain and her personal ideology isn't that far off the general Liberal Democrat manifesto.

PSPS

(13,613 posts)
13. Look at the rules for elections in the UK compared to the US
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 12:01 PM
Sep 2019

In the US, 98% of those who win an election are the ones who spend the most on TV advertising. Where does the money come from? Russia and others funnel billions through dark money channels and through its surrogates like the NRA to the GOP. Advertising for the 2020 election began in 2017.

In the UK, broadcast political advertising is largely prohibited. Political spending by outside organizations is prohibited. However, russia worked around this using social media like zuckerberg's facebook, which brought the brexit fiasco.

CrispyQ

(36,500 posts)
14. They've been playing the long game & are a hair's width from attaining control of everything.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 12:31 PM
Sep 2019
Governing by Owning the Libs - When a president’s entire motivation is to antagonize the people who didn’t vote for him.

Here's a DU thread on the Slate article, https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212432960 but this is what really stood out to me, cuz this is exactly what the GOP & republicans believe.

Levitz was responding to the president’s expressions of contempt for Puerto Rico, as another hurricane closed in on the island, and to a Trump-Pence fundraising email declaring, of the Democrats, “this is our country, not theirs.”


There is an undercurrent of "Only we are true Americans" throughout the entire republican party.
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