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spanone

(135,858 posts)
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 10:24 AM Sep 2019

CNN: In the mafia, there is a name for what Pence and Barr did

(CNN)As a federal organized crime prosecutor, I learned that the mafia uses a practice known as "kicking up" or "paying tribute" to the boss. Essentially, all members of a mafia family must make sure that some of their earnings end up in the boss' pocket. From the member's point of view, "kicking up" is a way to show respect, curry favor, and reinforce the hierarchical power structure. From the boss's point of view, it's a way to get rich.

The "kicking up" model works well for the mafia, and now a political version of it seems to be catching on within the Trump administration. Vice President Mike Pence has decided to stay at Trump's golf resort in Doonbeg, Ireland, during an official visit to Dublin (over a one-hour flight away, so not particularly close or convenient). On Tuesday, Pence's chief of staff remarked that the decision was made on Trump's suggestion. The Vice President's office later stated, "at no time did the President direct our office to stay at his Doonbeg resort."

Pence reportedly will personally pay all expenses for family traveling with him, and the United States government will use taxpayer money to pick up the costs for Pence and his security detail. No matter how you cut it, Pence's decision to stay at Trump's hotel will put money in Trump's pocket.

Not to be outdone in the "posterior osculation" category (as Paul Begala colorfully put it), Attorney General William Barr reportedly will spend more than $30,000 of personal money to throw a private holiday party at the Trump International Hotel in Washington DC. Barr's defenders argue that he first tried to book two other DC hotels. But, of course, there are dozens of luxury hotels in DC that Barr could have chosen instead of one owned by Trump's company. Apologists can nibble at the margins, but there is no escaping that Barr's choice to patronize a Trump property, like Pence's, will put thousands of dollars in Trump's pocket.


https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/04/opinions/pence-barr-money-trumps-pocket-honig/index.html
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CNN: In the mafia, there is a name for what Pence and Barr did (Original Post) spanone Sep 2019 OP
Kissing the hand? Pachamama Sep 2019 #1
Exactly! ErinnRich Sep 2019 #38
Pay up or suffer the consequences dalton99a Sep 2019 #2
anagram for the "godfather"... trusty elf Sep 2019 #39
+1. Perfect! dalton99a Sep 2019 #41
Just sayin' gelsdorf Sep 2019 #3
He has always seemed like a mafia boss to me. redstatebluegirl Sep 2019 #4
Only not as competant. Scarsdale Sep 2019 #10
More like "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight". trof Sep 2019 #36
+! struggle4progress Sep 2019 #5
"Wet my beak." Kid Berwyn Sep 2019 #6
#ImpeachTrumpNow Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #7
Thanks, spanone. I thought Barr's Xmas party was actually a form of "kickback"... B Stieg Sep 2019 #8
Mafia Donny IronLionZion Sep 2019 #9
Isn't this one of the reasons we have embassies exboyfil Sep 2019 #12
literally on the other side of the country. unblock Sep 2019 #13
And I'm SURE that Dublin has no other possible guest lodging... calimary Sep 2019 #19
I've been to Dublin. Many times. trof Sep 2019 #37
No great ad for Trump Doonbeg. BadgerMom Sep 2019 #11
Should call it trump Dirtbag. calimary Sep 2019 #21
tRump Douchebag jmbar2 Sep 2019 #25
Doonbed bug and beyond IcyPeas Sep 2019 #28
that's not paying tribute... Javaman Sep 2019 #14
Well it is Don the Con malaise Sep 2019 #15
the don will con spanone Sep 2019 #23
"posterior osculation" great phrase cp Sep 2019 #16
I agree. From Andy Singer: erronis Sep 2019 #32
It's so goddamn obvious, and the GOP does nothing about it. Rabrrrrrr Sep 2019 #17
Grifters gonna grift... DeminPennswoods Sep 2019 #18
Pence did recently say that he would "spend more time on his knees"....eom Tanuki Sep 2019 #20
The devil you say! calimary Sep 2019 #22
Even if Trump isn't a billionaire (he isn't) Bob Loblaw Sep 2019 #24
I think it's more keeping failing Trump businesses afloat... Wounded Bear Sep 2019 #31
Poor widdle ivanka. I hear the kushner's are doing a lot better with business deals, however. erronis Sep 2019 #33
They were far too obvious about it, that is their downfall. Brainfodder Sep 2019 #26
A kickback by any other name is still payola TeamPooka Sep 2019 #27
tithing.... samnsara Sep 2019 #29
I'd liken it to Heartstrings Sep 2019 #30
There's nothing preventing the indictment of a VP. Marcuse Sep 2019 #34
Jim Comey likened his interactions with Trump to exactly that:dealing with an organized crime boss Hekate Sep 2019 #35
Like when he said, "Well, that's the way I've always negotiated"... kentuck Sep 2019 #40
Damn straight BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #42

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
10. Only not as competant.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:01 AM
Sep 2019

John Gotti would have made a much better president, face it. He was handsome, well dressed, commanded respect from his crew, and knew EXCTLY what was going on at all times. He outdid tRump on all stages, and I think Putin would have been afraid of him, unlike puppet tRump.

trof

(54,256 posts)
36. More like "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight".
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:26 PM
Sep 2019

One of Jimmy Breslin's best efforts.
A true story.
Read it and laugh your ass off.

B Stieg

(2,410 posts)
8. Thanks, spanone. I thought Barr's Xmas party was actually a form of "kickback"...
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 10:57 AM
Sep 2019

but "kicking up" does seem more accurate!

IronLionZion

(45,503 posts)
9. Mafia Donny
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 10:59 AM
Sep 2019

Donny is too dumb for schemes like this. He just knows he's get away with constitutional violations as always. Emoluments is no different.

The logistics are very bad

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
12. Isn't this one of the reasons we have embassies
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:20 AM
Sep 2019

I really don't care what former Presidents did. All high level federal officials should stay at our embassies (unless it is a vacation). Going forward I hope we put some rules in place to correct this problem.

It seems it would help coordination with our Ambassadors as well.

BadgerMom

(2,771 posts)
11. No great ad for Trump Doonbeg.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:14 AM
Sep 2019

It seems way too isolated to be a good choice for anyone, let alone someone with appointments in Dublin. It’s neither close to Shannon or the capital.

Javaman

(62,532 posts)
14. that's not paying tribute...
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:38 AM
Sep 2019

paying tribute would be someone who wanted favor and to maintain good standing with the boss.

pence isn't that bright.

he was a bag man.

he was told to do a job and make his boss money.

cp

(6,651 posts)
16. "posterior osculation" great phrase
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:44 AM
Sep 2019

Only way I've ever understood what's going on these days is mafia, or organized crime. And Trumpski and his administration aren't even good at organization.

erronis

(15,326 posts)
32. I agree. From Andy Singer:
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 03:57 PM
Sep 2019
https://www.cagle.com/andy-singer/2013/01/osculate-my-posterior

I'm guessing dotard and putine and pence all have fine time together. Can't imagine moscow-mitch being able.

Rabrrrrrr

(58,352 posts)
17. It's so goddamn obvious, and the GOP does nothing about it.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 12:09 PM
Sep 2019

Holy shit, imagine what would have happened if Obama or a Clinton had such things happening under their presidency. The GOP and FOX News investigations would be unending and the punditry would be loud and self-righteous. And in that case, the GOP and FOX would actually be right to be up in arms.

This is crime at an unprecedented level.

Bob Loblaw

(1,900 posts)
24. Even if Trump isn't a billionaire (he isn't)
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 12:43 PM
Sep 2019

once you factor in the cost of doing business, these aren't great sums that will deposit directly into his pocket. It's the thought that counts. Particularly as these are very public expenditures, the fealty is on display for his ego stroking pleasure.

Wounded Bear

(58,691 posts)
31. I think it's more keeping failing Trump businesses afloat...
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 02:21 PM
Sep 2019

Apparently his name brand isn't selling as well as it used to. Even if not much goes directly to Trump, a kick in the till could keep a losing business afloat for months.

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
26. They were far too obvious about it, that is their downfall.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 01:16 PM
Sep 2019

[eventually]

I saw it reported that in order to stay in Ireland at his hotel, it was a 3 hour drive away!

This endless waste of taxpayer funds!

Hekate

(90,770 posts)
35. Jim Comey likened his interactions with Trump to exactly that:dealing with an organized crime boss
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:04 PM
Sep 2019

The big boss never tells you straight out what crime you should commit: he mulls it over out loud, suggests it might be a good idea if such a thing happened, asks if it would be a good idea. So of course he never directed Pence to do this -- as such.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
40. Like when he said, "Well, that's the way I've always negotiated"...
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:05 AM
Sep 2019

When asked a question about comparing the leader of China with the Chair of the Fed both as enemies? He made no distinction.

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