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Effect of Taliban peace deal on women? (Original Post) LAS14 Aug 2019 OP
During the late 1980's and into 90's as Russia failed and left Miigwech Aug 2019 #1
I care about that. maxsolomon Aug 2019 #2
Most care, by context. Igel Aug 2019 #3
Women's rights are at the core of my opposition to the Taliban and fundamentalist Islam maxsolomon Aug 2019 #4
If I were a woman Falcata Aug 2019 #5
How are the Taliban's views on women any different than other Islamic countries? former9thward Aug 2019 #6
 

Miigwech

(3,741 posts)
1. During the late 1980's and into 90's as Russia failed and left
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 04:02 PM
Aug 2019

I followed the news reports of Taliban taking over the country bit by bit and ending the rights of women as they went. None cared about that ... only that Russians were defeated. The world let that happen. Now, once again?

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
2. I care about that.
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 04:08 PM
Aug 2019

But Trump doesn't. There will be some words, but there will be nothing to hold them to their promises.

Igel

(35,317 posts)
3. Most care, by context.
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 07:34 PM
Aug 2019

When the war drags on, when there's a budget issue, when there's some pompous pontificating from the Oval Office, it's all "we need peace." Or even if it's just "America needs a black eye, heh-heh-heh." Lots of complaining.

Women? Nah.

Until push comes to shove and women might be endangered. Then, suddenly, there's lots of complaining about the possibility of a peace deal that doesn't provide 100% of what those not in the negotiations may want. Like women's safety and rights, female education, etc., etc.

To be fair, it's not usually the same people on both sides of the issue, liking to complain because it gives them an endorphin rush of self-righteousness. It's different people.

I think of it as a Giovanni Gabrieli canzon for double brass choir. Now one side blares, and people ooh and ah. Then it rests as the other side picks up the thread and carries it, perhaps just echoing or perhaps developing it. Then the first choir resumes, perhaps in isolation or maybe in 4 or 8-part harmony to develop thing communally.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
4. Women's rights are at the core of my opposition to the Taliban and fundamentalist Islam
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 12:23 PM
Aug 2019

They were the reason I supported our incursion there in 2002, wanted RAWA ( http://www.rawa.org ) put in charge of Afghanistan, and pre-emptively oppose whatever slapdash deal the DoD, Pompeo, and other Trumpist cretins are pushing through.

But I'm not in the negotiations, as you said. It's unlikely there are representatives from RAWA in the room, either. Or any women at all.

Sorry to complain.

Falcata

(156 posts)
5. If I were a woman
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 02:33 PM
Aug 2019

in Afghanistan and I had the means I'd be out of there before the Taliban came back.

former9thward

(32,016 posts)
6. How are the Taliban's views on women any different than other Islamic countries?
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 03:16 PM
Aug 2019

I was in Afghanistan in 2002 and most of the countries we call Arab before or since. I have seen no real differences. Yes the Taliban will repress women and others who don't share their views. That is not an argument for a never ending war. We need to leave. We can't go to war against the entire Islamic world.

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