'We Should Be Retreating Already From the Coastline,' Scientist Suggests After Finding...

[Pluvious]

'We Should Be Retreating Already From the Coastline,' Scientist Suggests After Finding Warm Waters Below Greenland.

I guess we've screwed up.

The ice in Greenland started the summer weak. There was little snowfall this past winter to reinforce the ice or to absorb the sunlight in the peak of summer, when the sun never fully goes down. Fresh snow stays bright and reflective, which bounces away solar radiation. Older snow is less reflective and absorbs the sun's heat. When the first heat wave hit in June, 45 percent of Greenland's ice sheet was ready to melt, according to National Geographic.

Arctic ice like Greenland's is also vital to removing carbon from the atmosphere, according to a study in the journal Polar Biology. The calcium carbonate crystals that make up sea ice trap carbon dioxide in a cold brine. When the sea ice melts, it drops that carbon dioxide into the ocean where it binds to algae, which stops it from circulating around the atmosphere.

As sea ice decreases, less carbon will be removed from the atmosphere. Plus, the melting ice will raise sea levels. Glaciers like Helheim are big enough to make global sea levels rise by one millimeter in just one month, which concerns scientists, as CNN reported.

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https://www.ecowatch.com/greenland-melting-ocean-warming-below-2639919864.html

[Control-Z]

1. "I guess we've screwed up." eom

[Pluvious]

3. Love your handle

To this day I still use that from within the vi editor

fg

[theophilus]

2. Exactly! I have already given an open invitation to coastal corporations to come on over

to Arkansas with factories and employees. Bring your unions and especially encourage your workers that lean toward Democratic government. Move out before you are flooded out. Now, if you consult a map of the ancient earth you will see that, if you like the seaside, we will have some in Arkansas too. Such a deal!

[sdfernando]

4. I'm already looking at a few choice lots in

Lutherville and Casa de Lex but avoiding Ottisburg.

[BSdetect]

5. What will be the cost of deconstructing infrastructure

especially all toxic chemical plants, pipelines, household poisons etc

[Pluvious]

6. Ugh - that just makes me ill - look no further than...

... what happened to Houston a few years ago, after a little heavy weather hit them...

We are living in the early days of the dystopian future.

[Duppers]

25. Truth! ☝

[roamer65]

23. LOL. It won't be deconstructed.

It will just be abandoned.

[BSdetect]

32. That was implied. Its going to be a huge clusterfuck of toxic waste leaching into ocean food chains.

[MineralMan]

7. I hope Minnesota is far enough away from the coast...

[Hermit-The-Prog]

10. but is it far enough north?

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

14. Lake Superior is about 600 feet above sea level, you should be ok.

Forget about that winter trip to Florida, however. Margaritaville will hardly exist atoll.

[MineralMan]

16. My house is almost at the highest point in St. Paul.

It's at more than 900 feet above sea level.

[NickB79]

18. I have a feeling the Midwest is going to see a flood...... of climate refugees

Maybe not for another 30-40 yr, but they're coming. Arable farmland, ample fresh water, wind and solar resources, far enough away from the worst of the heatwaves.

[roamer65]

21. We should start building the wall.

Not sarcasm. Only liberals should be welcomed. Trump lovers should be forced to stay.

I also should gain an affinity for “beachfront property”. Like Lex Luthor.

[Quemado]

29. Parts of the Midwest may not be the best place to go.

There was severe flooding in March 2019 in parts of Nebraska, Iowa, South Dakota, Kansas, and Missouri: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Midwestern_U.S._floods

HOW CLIMATE CHANGE MADE THE 'HISTORIC' FLOODING IN NEBRASKA, IOWA WORSE:
https://www.newsweek.com/expert-severe-flooding-nebraska-iowa-climate-change-storms-1366734

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

8. Want to know what it will look like?

Greenland alone will have a huge impact, but coupled with the inevitable collapse of the West Antarctic ice sheet, I'd be mighty worried if I lived anywhere near sea level. Here's a mapping tool to allow you to view your location:

http://sealevel.climatecentral.org/

[xmas74]

9. Come to Missouri.

Bring your union sensibility, activist know-how and Blue votes. There are areas where 1000 votes would change an entire county.

Really-do it. Property is still inexpensive, rural areas are beautiful, KC is rebuilding its infrastructure and St Louis has that turn of the century Worlds Fair charm. Columbia is a sweet college town where Homecoming was first started. Oh, we have fun breweries, lovely wineries, great bbq and fantastic free state parks. We're also developing beautiful bike trails and have an incredible amount of caves.

Move to my neck of the woods and I'll take you around.

[SammyWinstonJack]

34. Heat and humidity? SICK of the humidity. Leaving Tn and heading to the PNW end of Sept.

[Brother Buzz]

11. I embrace this news.....

and should start digging a marina in my back yard in the Sacramento Valley. Woohoo, waterfront property, Baby!

[roamer65]

24. To quote Lex Luthor.

‘We all have ours faults, mine’s in California.”

[hunter]

12. We should be figuring out how to move entire communities in a rational and equitable way.

Waiting until deadly disasters disperse everyone, leaving many homeless and without work, will destroy the fabric of our nation.

It's not just rising seas. Other places are likely to become uninhabitable when the water runs out or wet-bulb temperatures become deadly.

When the Dust Bowl hit "Okies" were not welcomed into California and other unaffected states.

[cagefreesoylentgreen]

13. A large and sudden glacial collapse

A large and sudden glacial collapse can cause a tsunami. This always seems to be left out of the discussion about climate change.

[Pluvious]

19. A horrifying description of this scenario in Kim Stanley Robinson's Novel...

New York 2140

It came in two major events, precipitated by major sheets of Antarctic ice sloughing off into the ocean.

In a matter of days a fast (and permanent) inundation of coastal lands.

We are, in the end, a most short sighted dysfunctional species.

[cagefreesoylentgreen]

22. I was thinking more Stephen Baxter

He references the Storegga Slide in his novel Stone Spring. There are two possible triggers for the gigantic prehistoric landslide, but the warming climate was the underlying cause of both.

Robinson’s 2140 has been on my to-be-read list for some time. I’ll get to it eventually.

[Pluvious]

36. Ah yes...

He's a great writer too. IIRC I'd read one by him about killer storms. I'll check out Storegga Slide.

2140 is, IMHO, best taken as an adventurous meal of novel foods.
No need to rush to the dessert
It's like a thought exercise of how we'll adapt to a very different environment with its many new challenges. I still think about the unique community practices for surviving in the towers.

I sure wish the World's collective leadership would listen better to our great thinkers.

:-/

[moondust]

15. For those keeping track at home,

Greenland Lost 12.5 Billion Tons of Ice in a Single Day

The amount of ice collectively lost last Wednesday and Thursday (early August) would be enough to cover Florida in almost five inches of water

Again, Greenland Lost 12.5 Billion Tons of Ice in a Single Day.

[elocs]

17. The reality is that global climate change is here, it will not be stopped or even slowed,

but then little to nothing is being done to deal with the negative consequences of GCC until the wolf is at the door and by that time it will be too late. Such is life.

[Wounded Bear]

20. Motheer Nature has a tendency to win these battles...

Not directly climate related, but...

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

26. So glad I live at 7,000 feet above sea level.

[Thekaspervote]

27. Me too! Problem is...we're gonna have a lot more "company."

[lindysalsagal]

28. We are a wretched species. We destroy, and never learn.

[sakabatou]

30. The Amazon is on fire and the planet will flood

And someday, our species will die because of hubris.

[RandiFan1290]

31. Adorable how people that live inland think their lives won't change. nt

[NickB79]

37. Oh no, our lives will definitely change for the worse

I fully expect civilization to start to collapse sometime around mid-century, taking our tech-driven society with it. The inland areas won't be spared, though we may hold out longer than most.

But the main difference is, we'll still have our lives (in the short-term, at least).

The poor bastards unable to migrate from the flooded cities, broiling heat and devastated fields will die by the hundreds of millions this century.

[BSdetect]

33. If we still cannot accept the reality of GW our system is likely doomed to fail us.

Grass roots activism might be our last resort.

[jpak]

35. All the feedbacks are positive

Yup