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Conspiracy theory du jour...body double (Original Post) pbmus Aug 2019 OP
Nose is different. maveric Aug 2019 #1
Could be rigor mortis pbmus Aug 2019 #2
The "before" picture is old StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #12
nose is definately different. trueblue2007 Aug 2019 #13
Our noses continue to grow as we age chowder66 Aug 2019 #42
Where did the picture come from? How do we know it's even supposed to be him? n/t pnwmom Aug 2019 #14
The POINT obviously is NOBODY can trust anything coming from the DOJ Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #26
The comparison pic is from when he was younger. nt UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #17
+1 Joe941 Aug 2019 #34
Ear? 33taw Aug 2019 #3
The two ears look different to me. Nostrils are different sizes too. 50 Shades Of Blue Aug 2019 #8
It's clearly two different people. Meadowoak Aug 2019 #33
I noticed nose and ear too n/t TexasBushwhacker Aug 2019 #41
It's clearly not. nt Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2019 #43
This stuff is not helpful. marble falls Aug 2019 #4
John is a respected lawyer and frequently is on Melber and other MSNBC programs pbmus Aug 2019 #6
And what are his qualifications to opine on body doubles? This stuff is not helpful. marble falls Aug 2019 #7
In your opinion....What is helpful..? pbmus Aug 2019 #9
Paul Krugman is right. That's why this stuff is not helpful. What I think is we give ... marble falls Aug 2019 #22
OMG... pbmus Aug 2019 #25
We're going to disaree on this one. Jailers do still walk beats even if there are videos. And ... marble falls Aug 2019 #27
Ok, video will hopefully still be there for this suicide/murder pbmus Aug 2019 #30
Agreed. This stuff is not helpful, at all. It's just as nutty as Dumpy's Clinton tweet, imo. Maru Kitteh Aug 2019 #20
It takes honor to resign. Barr is a Trump loyalist. pwb Aug 2019 #5
nice theory. all it needs is a shred of proof and it might actually be more legit than Pizzagate Takket Aug 2019 #10
The bruise could have resulted from a fall in his cell or an injury inflicted by someone else. CTyankee Aug 2019 #11
Blood stops circulating after death jberryhill Aug 2019 #28
Thanks for the info. Given what you have said, most of the speculation here should cease. CTyankee Aug 2019 #29
When the blood pressure goes to zero... jberryhill Aug 2019 #36
Where did that picture come from? N/T lapucelle Aug 2019 #15
One of the New York papers had two photos of him arriving at the hospital malaise Aug 2019 #16
This sounds nuts and would require a lot of people to be in on it and we all know people can't UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #18
So, are we to believe he's sitting on his island beach with an umbrella drink in hand? Brother Buzz Aug 2019 #19
Yes he is with Jim Morrison. UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #37
Oh, but to be a fly on the wall for that conversation Brother Buzz Aug 2019 #38
These kind of conspiracy theories are a distraction Hav Aug 2019 #21
Looks to me to definitely be Epstein, and Barr should resign immediately..n/t monmouth4 Aug 2019 #23
It's him malaise Aug 2019 #24
I'm pretty sure that at this point, many Republicans and Democrats are having some sleepless nights. Firestorm49 Aug 2019 #31
Wild, baseless conspiracy theories. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2019 #32
Yep. I started a thread on that subject yesterday and was fairly skewered stopbush Aug 2019 #39
There's a whole lot of 'em, too. nt Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2019 #44
Oh FFS. This CT garbage has its own forum. n/t X_Digger Aug 2019 #35
Fuck me. Codeine Aug 2019 #40
The ending of the movie - Swordfish keithbvadu2 Aug 2019 #45

chowder66

(9,084 posts)
42. Our noses continue to grow as we age
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 07:19 PM
Aug 2019

because of changes in soft tissue, muscles, skin elasticity and the cartilage that makes up the underlying nasal structure. Unlike bone, cartilage continues to grow over time. Same with the ears but ears are more identifiable because they are more unique structurally.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
26. The POINT obviously is NOBODY can trust anything coming from the DOJ
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 05:27 PM
Aug 2019

Barr lies almost as much as rump.

And as we speak the kGB (wont call them by their new name because Putin wants me to) is inside our election system, machines, etc.

Boy oh boy, but Hillary gave a speech...

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
6. John is a respected lawyer and frequently is on Melber and other MSNBC programs
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:45 PM
Aug 2019

What’s not helpful is the most corrupt administration in America’s history

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
9. In your opinion....What is helpful..?
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:52 PM
Aug 2019

We are living in a paranoid fantasy world...according to Paul Krugman

marble falls

(57,275 posts)
22. Paul Krugman is right. That's why this stuff is not helpful. What I think is we give ...
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 04:50 PM
Aug 2019

give a week or so to the FBI and we wait to see if there really is a video and we remember that prisoners all across the country on suicide watch are dying because jailers do not keep up their appointed rounds.

I think this is the first one of your OPs in years I haven't req'd on purpose. You're one of DUers that keep me here. All this in interest of a full disclosure.

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
25. OMG...
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 05:23 PM
Aug 2019

First, thank you for your reqs...

2nd, if you are believing that jailers still walk around a prison...they watch computer screens..

3rd, a week is a lifetime today...all this goes away in 72 hrs..

marble falls

(57,275 posts)
27. We're going to disaree on this one. Jailers do still walk beats even if there are videos. And ...
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 05:29 PM
Aug 2019

while 72 hrs is a life for a Mayfly it isn't for any kind time necessary for a serious investigation into almost anything.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
11. The bruise could have resulted from a fall in his cell or an injury inflicted by someone else.
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:53 PM
Aug 2019

To me that would indicate that his guards "looked away" during an assault or when he was committing suicide.

As for Barr, that sonovabitch isn't going anywhere as long as Cheetoh is in office. But karma is coming, dude, and it's a bitch...

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
28. Blood stops circulating after death
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 05:30 PM
Aug 2019

If his head was turned sideways for any length of time, then blood would simply pool in the checks.

It doesn’t have to be a bruise.

Most people don’t know what unembalmed dead people look like.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
29. Thanks for the info. Given what you have said, most of the speculation here should cease.
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 05:35 PM
Aug 2019

The only unembalmed deceased person I have personally seen was my mother, in the hospital, moments after her death. Since it was peaceful (she was 94) there was no wound.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
36. When the blood pressure goes to zero...
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 05:51 PM
Aug 2019

It is guaranteed that there is what looks like bruising all over the place after a short while.

It’s one of the ways that you know how long someone has been dead, by the extent of blood pooling.

It’s called livor mortis

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livor_mortis

And can also produce small postmortem hemorrhages:

Postmortem hypostasis (livor mortis or lividity) is classically defined as the intravascular pooling of blood in gravitationally dependent parts of the body after death. However, intense lividity can be associated with small hemorrhages in the skin, so-called postmortem hypostatic hemorrhages (Tardieu spots).

malaise

(269,188 posts)
16. One of the New York papers had two photos of him arriving at the hospital
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 04:16 PM
Aug 2019

My guess is that someone enlarged it

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
18. This sounds nuts and would require a lot of people to be in on it and we all know people can't
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 04:19 PM
Aug 2019

keep their mouths shut.

Brother Buzz

(36,469 posts)
19. So, are we to believe he's sitting on his island beach with an umbrella drink in hand?
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 04:25 PM
Aug 2019

I am willing to believe it. I can believe anything

Brother Buzz

(36,469 posts)
38. Oh, but to be a fly on the wall for that conversation
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 06:08 PM
Aug 2019

I just assumed he would be schmoozing with Ken Lay.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
21. These kind of conspiracy theories are a distraction
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 04:47 PM
Aug 2019

If the case for a double was more solid, the comparison wouldn't have been made with a picture that looks as if it's from a decade ago or possibly more. The nose and ears are clearly bodyparts that can change over the years. Some very distinct and almost uique details of the ear are still visible.

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