Prison experts are stunned and angry that Jeffrey Epstein was taken off suicide watch

[babylonsister]

Prison experts are stunned and angry that Jeffrey Epstein was taken off suicide watch
"For them to pull him off suicide watch is shocking,” one former federal prison warden told NBC News.
Questions raised after Epstein dies after being taken off suicide watch
Aug. 10, 201903:24
Aug. 10, 2019, 2:39 PM EDT / Updated Aug. 10, 2019, 3:24 PM EDT
By Jonathan Dienst, Andrew Blankstein, Dareh Gregorian and Rich Schapiro


Even before his first suspected suicide try last month, Jeffrey Epstein was perhaps the most vulnerable man in the federal jail system: a politically-connected financier accused of sexually abusing dozens of underage girls. He was, by all accounts, the kind of inmate that should have been under the closest possible supervision.

Instead, Epstein was taken off suicide watch in the days before he took his own life, officials told NBC News, a decision that baffled former wardens and veterans of the federal prison system.

"For them to pull him off suicide watch is shocking,” Cameron Lindsay, a former warden who worked at three federal facilities, told NBC News. “For someone this high-profile, with these allegations and this many victims, who has had a suicide attempt in the last few weeks, you can take absolutely no chances. You leave him on suicide watch until he’s out of there.”

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But Epstein’s status was changed sometime in the last two weeks for reasons that remain unknown, officials told NBC News. The decision would normally have to have been authorized by the jail’s suicide prevention program coordinator, who is ordinarily the institution’s chief psychologist, and approved by the warden.

“Once an inmate has been placed on watch, the watch may not be terminated, under any circumstance, without the program coordinator or designee performing a face-to-face evaluation,” according to the federal Bureau of Prison official guidelines issued in 2007.

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[Claritie Pixie]

1. Yes there is protocol for this and it wasn't followed.

WHY?

[exboyfil]

2. I feel like we are living in some sort

of weird Godfather fantasy.

[LuvNewcastle]

30. I would imagine that it's hard to be a fiction writer these days.

These plots in our news every day are complicated and sometimes unbelievable. It would be hard to come up with stories that beat reading the news. Good times for comedians, however.

[catbyte]

36. Or Germany, circa 1936.

[zackymilly]

3. Prison experts stunned and angry, while a few jailers are now rich. nt

[rainin]

13. Rich or soon to be dead. n/t

[jimlup]

4. Apparently his massive sums of money were good for something ...

Occam's razor - he paid someone off so he could checkout. It is what I would have done if I were in his situation. It was a smart move. Now he avoids justice and accountability. A total asshole all the way ....

[dawg day]

37. I wonder-- why did he do what was probably a fake suicide attempt?

So that he could get protection from "suicide watch". He wouldn't be able to turn that off. Who did?

[jimlup]

39. No, I bet is was probably real

I suspect the guy was desperate.

[onecaliberal]

5. But Epstein's status was changed sometime in the last two weeks for reasons that remain unknown,

I think the reasons are very well known.

[jimlup]

6. Yes indeed

...

[triron]

19. Yes but to privileged few like Trump and Barr.

Probably taken off right after El Paso shooting.

[Hoyt]

7. Roughly 12 hours after his death, I don't find it surprising some facts are unknown.

Besides, folks can conjure up all kinds of sinister explanations, in the meantime.

[rpannier]

40. Bart Simpson and Milhouse van Houten showed us the way in the 90's

[Uncle Joe]

8. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread babylonsister.

[bucolic_frolic]

9. Money center banks were too big to fail

is this case too big to air?

[struggle4progress]

10. Taken off suicide watch? Check! Security camera malfunctioning? Check!

Guards removed? Check!

[BamaRefugee]

11. They were stunned and angry that Jack Ruby was lounging around the jail in Dallas too.

Nothing changes.
Mega-rich folks work in mysterious ways.

[bobbieinok]

12. Very good reminding us of the bizarre presence of Ruby! THANKS

[BamaRefugee]

16. I was only 11 but I was like THIS IS BULLSHIT!

[bobbieinok]

17. I was in grad school. Away from TV when Ruby killed Oswald.

[BamaRefugee]

22. I was home, watching, school was closed. My school was located in Greenville, S.C., when the

principal came on the loudspeaker system the day (or 2?) before, when JFK was killed, 90% of the kids in my classroom jumped up and started shouting with glee.
Disgusting. But they were already brainwashed.
Another reason for me fleeing the South as soon as I could get away from it.

[bobbieinok]

24. Heard school kids in TX cheered too!

[Scarsdale]

28. We lived in base housing in Germany.

Our German neighbor came to the door, crying, saying "They shot Kennedy" She was really as upset as any citizen would be. It was so shocking to hear that. My husband said that every plane at the base took off.

[consider_this]

33. WTF!?!?!?!?!!!!

Are you serious?!?!?! if so - OMG!!!!! Disgusting is not even strong enough!

[srobertss]

38. I knew there were adults who cheered

Never heard there were children who did as well. How strange that must have been. I was in the 5th grade and ended up in the bathroom crying with a bunch of friends. Southern Calif. I’ve always assumed that was the normal response of children in that moment.

[BamaRefugee]

44. I now live in the OTHER S.C. - Southern California. The absolute worst person I could meet here

on any given day is better than 40% of the people I might meet in South Carolina.
I'm still a Southern boy inside though.
Greenville is the home of Bob Jones University, if you don't know about it, look it up.

[srobertss]

45. Bob Jones Univ, yes it is known to me

What a horror. I was trying to imagine children in Democratic strongholds hearing about the current WH resident’s sudden death and can’t imagine such a response. But maybe it’s the legacy of the civil war? Decades of aggrievement and feeling besieged by change. There’s more fear and hate towards the other “tribe”?

[Hoyt]

14. When they sort through things, they'll likely decide first "suicide" attempt was really

self inflicted to get moved to a nicer facility. If true, that will explain him not being on suicide watch.

I suspect prison officials just saw him as another rich wuss crying about being caught and treated like us commoners.

[rpannier]

41. Could be right

But that won't stop the 'Castle' junkies and other television shows that had ridiculous conspiracy theories from believing this was orchestrated from the highest echelons of society
He likely killed himself. He expected to go home and sit out his trial. He didn't get that and found prison a lot harder than he was
They should do a full investigation, but I doubt for some that any investigation results will satisfy

[Sunsky]

42. I hope not

If a person has attempted suicide it should never be taken lightly. While the public has a right to be skeptics, these professionals have to treat an attempted suicide as such and take steps to prevent the act from being completed.
That explanation will not fly with any review board. It would not only be a breach of protocol but would also be unethical.

[Duppers]

15. On Barr's orders?

[Scarsdale]

29. Barr is a toady for

tRump. He sent a fawning letter to tRump to get the job, and now he does whatever he is told. He believes a president is above the law. Even a fake, illegitimate one, Billy?

[triron]

18. First, take him off suicide watch so his death could be ruled as such.

[ananda]

20. B Barr is behind this.

nt

[triron]

21. So ordered by Putin's puppet.

[RockRaven]

23. POTUS & AG both had personal legal/reputational risks which are decreased by Epstein's death/silence

No investigation or report by the DOJ regarding Epstein's death can ever be credible under these circumstances. Even if Barr recuses himself, the credibility of the DOJ on this matter will still be utter shite. No matter what the findings are, the status of Trump as POTUS and Barr as AG -- recused or not -- render the findings non-credible at best.

What a clusterfuck.

[safeinOhio]

25. Remember, It wasn't the blow job, it was the cover up.

Times 100 on this one.

It all started with the cover up of the light treatment the first time. Ends up with this cover up of a murder.

[Polly Hennessey]

26. It doesn't take lots of brain cells to figure out

why Epstein was taken off suicide watch. Now everyone is shocked, just shocked. Not me, I spell it b.a.r.r.

[empedocles]

27. It was not Barzini who gave the order to pull the guards.

There is very likely a chain of command, with 'buffers'.

barr not likely to originate . . . 'the order'.

[Scarsdale]

31. Epstein has a brother.

He should DEMAND an independent investigation into this death. If he can find enough HONEST people to take on the job. Once "Low" Barr and his subordinates take over, there will likely be no further investigation. He has to earn his keep, doncha know.

[RockRaven]

34. Trump likes mob-movie-style deniability by not actually saying the words

but making sure everyone knows what is expected of them. Michael Cohen is just one of many people who has said so.

Barr has decades of experience in GOP politico-legal circles, so no doubt he is capable of the same.

And then there is also the chance that the local people in NY just looked the other way when regs were not followed, because it is highly unlikely (i.e. impossible) that that handful of leakers in the FBI's NY field office in the fall of '16 were the only pro-Trump rank and file in the FBI/DOJ. Everyone knew Epstein could make trouble for Trump. Everyone knew he already tried to kill himself. Everyone knew, as Rosenstein pointed out today, this happens all the time. What's to say a DOJ Trumper didn't decide to risk the reprimand for the administrative snafu to help Der Trumpenfuhrer's big problem "take care" of itself?

[empedocles]

35. Capo's, consigliere's, seem very, very unlikely to originate 'the order' themselves.

Fault aside, devastating catastrophe for an underling, if anything goes wrong.

More risk for DOJ types than a 'reprimand for the administrative snafu'. Conspiracy law is very scary.

[roamer65]

32. The smell leads back to the White House.

[Sunsky]

43. I agree

This is appalling.