Pierce: Nobody Will Ever Believe the Official Story on This

[mcar]

Nobody Will Ever Believe the Official Story on This
Jeffrey Epstein was found dead in his jail cell Saturday morning.

BY CHARLES P. PIERCE
AUG 10, 2019

Absolutely nobody is going to believe any official story that comes out about this. From The New York Times:

Mr. Epstein hung himself and his body was found this morning at roughly 7:30. Manhattan federal prosecutors last month charged Mr. Epstein, 66, with sex trafficking of girls as young as 14, and details of his behavior have been emerging for years.

How in the hell do they let this happen? The guy was incarcerated in the Manhattan Correctional Center. He already had made one try. He had to be on suicide watch. And the suicide happens the day after a massive document dump in which a woman who said she was one of Epstein's victims implicates an entire brigade of celebrity "clients," up to an including some European royalty? There almost can't be a dog more reluctant to hunt than this one.

A whole bunch of Somebodies need to get fired behind this. Beyond it, of course, a thousand conspiracy theories will now bloom across all the Intertoobz. The other people involved have to be nervous. Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's alleged accomplice who has yet to be charged, has to be looking over her shoulder. Is she looking over her shoulder to see if the FBI is back there, or to see if something darker is closing in? This country is losing what's left of its mind.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a28666006/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-dead/

[malaise]

1. Good grief NYT

Mr. Epstein hung himself - it's hanged himself (if that happened)

[mcar]

8. Good grammar check

[Disaffected]

11. Yeah,

we don't know if he was hung himself at all.

[Lulu KC]

38. I've read that he really wasn't,

but would never be so vulgar as to mention it.

[TexasBushwhacker]

41. I read it was small and deformed

Described as "egg shaped".

[Susan Calvin]

35. That was my first thought. nt

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

44. Perhaps Epstein was also hung. It would have come out during the trial.

When I was in journalism school using "hung" instead of "hanged" was considered a capital offense (or was it capitol? I always get those two confused).

[malaise]

47. LOL

I never get the hanged wrong because they drummed that one into us at school, but I used to check myself re the capital/capitol. The o is used for government buildings.

[True Blue American]

55. Not being an expert

But that was my first thought on the use of capitol/ capital

As in Capital letter, Capitol building..MY SPELLING USED TO BE EXCELLENT, My typing is atrocious because I hurry so much.

[geardaddy]

59. Good catch!

[malaise]

62. Literally just heard NYT's Ken Dilayan say hung himself on M$NBComcast

Has no one told them that it is hanged himself yet?

[mrsadm]

60. NYT has had proofreading errors

I remember perhaps a year ago the NYT fired about half its proofreading staff to save money. I have since then noticed more errors that they used to have.

[malaise]

61. Grammar and spelling have been deteriorating

everywhere. Sad.

[BeyondGeography]

2. "This country is losing what's left of its mind."

Yup.

[Lindsay]

5. The country's collective mind

is being destroyed by probably the most corrupt government in US history.

[Fritz Walter]

18. Not just its mind

But also our collective soul.

We are being deliberately desensitized to daily atrocities that would turn Hitler green with envy!
Everything from separating families to giving a thumbs-up in a photo-op with an infant orphaned by a mad gunman spouting his loyalty in a manifesto posted on the World Wide Web.

Snuffing a (fellow) serial rapist is just the latest in a long string of atrocities. Meanwhile, Putin laughs at our downward spiral.

[BeyondGeography]

21. I don't disagree

Trump as President was such a mind numbingly bad idea. And so many will never see it that way. It’s a permanent downgrade of America.

[Different Drummer]

33. Even if Sewer Clown loses in 2020...

it will take years to undo the damage he's done.

[Cosmocat]

29. Yep

Nm

[pennylane100]

26. We need to make the reasonable cable channels (MSNBC, CNN etc.) understand

that we do not care that a infamous pedophile is dead. What is wrong with them that would lead them to believe that how and when he died is important enough to take up a whole days broadcast time. We should ask them why this slime bucketed gets so much airtime. He was a terrible person and now he is gone. We should be more concerned about all the children kept in cages by another slime bucket (and possibly a pedophile) aka Trump. You are so right, we are losing what is left of our minds.

[Ligyron]

54. Right, but if they didn't cover it, then they'd be accused of a cover-up.

Maybe don't just cover it as much? Problem is: most idiots in America love this type of shit and they don't just pander to our needs. Ratings equal advertising dollars and they're not in bizz to uncover the truth anymore. But they should be.

[secondwind]

3. He was being held in a federal facility in New York City. FEDERAL, as in William Barr. Enough said

[orleans]

43. ...but...but...

"Attorney general 'appalled' over Epstein's death, announces investigation"

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/10/politics/bill-barr-jeffrey-epstein-justice-department-investigation/index.html

[wishstar]

4. Epstein was not on suicide watch because he claimed to have been beaten up

News article I read (NBC I think ) said he had claimed to have been beaten by an inmate who called him a child rapist, so he was not on suicide watch.

[Eliot Rosewater]

7. he was murdered

[Meadowoak]

32. He is alive and well in Saudi Arabia.

[Scotch-Irish]

36. Ha! That was my first thought, too.

He is anyplace besides somewhere that ALL of the pedophile republicans and foreigners who bought girls in Epstein's trafficking operation can be implicated any longer.

You KNOW tRump has purchased and sold children from this scumbag. That's why there is so much CONFUSION over where all these Latino kids are. Child trafficking is going on right under the noses of the media, and they won't go there.

[RockRaven]

9. SMH... I'm sure he also said he did not rape those girls. No decision should have been made

on the basis of anything he said. To do so would have been somewhere between incompetent and criminal.

[FiveGoodMen]

19. Sounds fishy

Even if they kind of believed that, they certainly should (would?) have taken precautions.

[BigmanPigman]

25. Yes, it says so in the NY Times

and now on MSNBC. He was NOT on suicide watch and was in same jail as El Chapo the jail had tons of tight security. What happened?!?!?

At least the investigations will continue. Putin and Barr will make that disappear next.

[uponit7771]

6. K&R, the same with the 2020 election !!! If Red Don wins no one will believe it was legit !!!

[world wide wally]

10. Pulonium?

[Different Drummer]

34. That's my thought.

DD

[yellowcanine]

12. Thing is, i can see him doing this.

Spoiled rich guy facing public humiliation and long time in real prison as a sex offender. But i can also see that powerful people may have wanted to silence him.

[bearsfootball516]

31. I'm the same way. I can absolutely see the merit to both sides.

If I was in his shoes, why would I want to keep living? I went from living in high rises and eating steak and lobster every night to having my every exploit shown to the world and living the rest of my life in a 6X8 cell. I wouldn’t want to live either.

At the same time, there were surely people higher up the food chain who he had supplied underage girls to, and were terrified he was going to rat them out. Why not make sure he never has a chance to tell anyone...this literally happens in countries all the time.

[Scotch-Irish]

37. I don't buy it.

He would have not had any "shame" at having his every exploit shown to the world. He was a narcissist. He was a sociopath. But he knew where all the bodies were buried....and some of them were, no doubt, exploited children who he sold to people like tRump, and likely purchased from people like tRump. I have no doubt some of the children they exploited never made it out alive.

[griloco]

13. Hmmm....Ken Lay, Roger Ailes, Jeffrey Epstein all share

the same plastic surgeon...?

[CCExile]

15. Now is the time for his victims

to file civil suits against his estate.

[Girard442]

16. This is what it means to live in a dictatorship,

If the dictator wants someone dead, he's dead. If someone conveniently dies without being murdered, no one believes it wasn't murder.

[LuvNewcastle]

17. Some people never pay for what they do.

That’s why so many people believe in an afterlife. So many give to others for their whole lives and get nothing but pain. Some people screw others over and live like princes. We want to believe in some sort of cosmic reckoning. I want to believe in it.

[dalton99a]

24. +1. "Don't complain. Pray harder and you shall receive your reward in heaven"

The purpose of organized religion is to prevent social change by making a virtue out of poverty and suffering

[Scarsdale]

39. Just for the congregation.

Other rules apply to the "leaders".

[Eyeball_Kid]

57. Well said in a nutshell. n/t

[Drunken Irishman]

20. lol be careful what you wish for...

If you keep pushing conspiracy theories, don't be shocked when those theories are overwhelmed by people who believe the Clintons had their hands in it and dominates the narrative and completely overtakes the 'official story'.

[proActivist]

42. +100 (nt)

[IronLionZion]

22. Trumpsters are pushing the Clinton connection saying Pizzagate was real

and they will of course downplay Trump's connection and any other GOPers

[dalton99a]

23. They knowingly let him kill himself

[BigmanPigman]

27. I think that might be the final conclusion.

He wasn't on suicide watch any longer and he did influence his jailers in the past. They may have been influenced by Epstein to allow him time alone, etc.

[Scarsdale]

40. The security cameras

were conveniently malfunctioning.

[titanicdave]

28. .....I Smell a Rat.....

......Somebody, somewhere got to him with some nasty shit and put it in his food and/or his drink, and when he partook of said nourishment..........

[jimlup]

30. Seriously doubt it ...

The conspiracy here is that Epstein likely paid someone off to have him taken off of suicide watch. No evidence of this except Ocsam's razor.

[Crunchy Frog]

45. Half of DU believes it. Read the posts here. n/t

[JohnnyRingo]

46. Epstein had nothing to live for.

If my cousin went to prison, he'd still get three meals a day and a roof over his head, pretty much what he has now. Epstein had a real change in lifestyle and severe culture shock.

Death would look like a viable option.

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

48. I am thinking of two things

First is a bit from the novel Cetaganda, by Lois McMaster Bujold

“It was suicide, wasn't it?"

"In an involuntary sort of way," said Vorob'yev. "These Cetagandan political suicides can get awfully messy, when the principal won't cooperate."

"Thirty-two stab wounds in the back, worst case of suicide they ever saw?" murmured Ivan, clearly fascinated by the gossip.

"Exactly, my lord.”

The second is an actual historical incident. The French Admiral Villeneuve, who lost the 1805 Battle of Trafalgar, was out of favor with Napoleon because he had lost the battle. About a year later, he was found in a hotel room with six knife wounds to the lungs and one to the heart. The official cause of death was suicide.

[Oppaloopa]

49. Yes in the beginning they said it was a heart attack .

[RandiFan1290]

50. Several trolls trying to convince us

that this is all 'normal' and 'routine' with child molesters.

[greymattermom]

51. So he hanged himself, but didn't die from it.

He died later at the hospital. Will they test his body for toxins? Is there even a body? He was alive when transported out of the jail. Who signed the death certificate? Watch that person's bank accounts.

[usaf-vet]

52. From the movie "Shooter" 2008. A good line describing the results of a conspiracy.

https://www.moviefanatic.com/quotes/thats-how-a-conspiracy-works-them-boys-on-the-grassy-knoll-they/

[usaf-vet]

53. Here is the Youtube clip of the posting above.... WARNING NSFW.....!

Warning: Not Safe For Work

NSFW (Language) NSFW (Language) NSFW (Language) NSFW (Language)

Do not watch if you are offended by the F*** word.

[iamthebandfanman]

56. Dead men dont talk

and since he was in a pedophile ring, no telling who he might know to be a pedophile.. meaning trump.. but i have to say this, president clinton also hung out with him a bit (not like trump tho from what ive been reading and such)...
lots of high profile people he could have known to be a part of it.
weird how they took him off suicide watch.. somebody got greased to let there be a window of opportunity

[TXPaganBanker]

58. New conspiracy theory

Epstein was brought to the hospital, where he was declared dead. His personal physician, who does not work at the hospital Epstein was brought to, signed the death certificate. His funeral arrangements state he is to be cremated, then his ashes are to be spread at his private island, where he has an estate.

There are too many rich and powerful that are depending on their names not getting involved. If Epstein had a data-drop as a life insurance policy, it would just take a little bit of motivation (cash) in the right spots to make sure his living, breathing body was on the plane instead of his ashes. And of course, it could take years of keeping the estate up to decide what to do with it after his "death".

Remember the weird "no pictures of the body, cremated without an autopsy" death right after Ken Lay was found guilty, but before the court ordered asset seizure in sentencing? It worked for him, right?