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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI remember the killing of Oswald on national tv
And as a ten year old I thought: the truth will never be known.
Yes, I was that kind of kid and yes my mind worked that way even then.
No matter what documents, photos, video comes out now, itll be discounted as fake or out of context. If they had Donald with two naked thirteen year-olds on his lap theyd say he was trying to guess their weight.
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)He always insisted that the live picture was different than the replays.
In the first live shot you clearly see Oswald nod in recognition to Ruby.
Replays didn't show that.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,861 posts)in the two or three minutes between the killing and rolling the tapes?
I think it's more reasonable that your father's memory is faulty.
UTUSN
(70,700 posts)saying the CLINTONs did it. Harvey LEVIN, "I'm-a-lawyer"/owner, is deep a flying monkey for SHITLER, was who fueled Kathy GRIFFIN's crash'n'burn over the beheading pic.
George II
(67,782 posts)UTUSN
(70,700 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)exboyfil
(17,863 posts)barbtries
(28,798 posts)the truth will never be known. and that's the point, right?
i'm very skeptical that this was a suicide. how many people are sighing in relief right now? he made so many problems go away. but the taint never will.
i think he was probably murdered but again, will never know.
Kid Berwyn
(14,907 posts)Im just a patsy.
Doesnt seem to act act guilty no consciousness of guilt.
proActivist
(75 posts)shot a cop after being stopped and questioned.
Kid Berwyn
(14,907 posts)Well never get a chance to hear Oswald tell his side of the story.
proActivist
(75 posts)And the investigations and witnesses that spoke up afterwards were more than enough to understand it.
wendyb-NC
(3,327 posts)The whole family was glued to our black and white TV screen.
When the shot rang out, my father said "whoa, did you see that? That was no accident."
Submariner
(12,504 posts)quickly seeing a cover-up with what we felt was complicity by the Dallas PD, thus blaming the state of Texas. Then watching our JFK being replaced by of all things, a Texan, later that same day, was a huge kick in the nuts to Massachusetts. Bad times.
ancianita
(36,060 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)What a shocking moment, I'll never forget it.
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)I dont consider myself a conspiracist. That said, I may be a poor judge of my own character because the 10-year-old girl who sat in thrall before the tv in 1963, already a Democrat, never bought the Warren Report. My son-in-law, a liberal and a doctor, asked me once, after Id made some offhand remark about never having been told the truth about the assassination and aftermath, if I thought thered been a conspiracy. He couldnt believe when I said I did.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)Yes, I know it's strange for a 7-year-old to watch political conventions, but at least they were on during the day back then.
Watching Ruby kill Oswald wasn't what you expected to see on Sunday morning TV.
yellowdogintexas
(22,256 posts)I was 7 1/2 and sat with my mom who really liked Adlai Stevenson and Estes Kefauver (we considered him our Senator much more than our own because we lived right on the KY TN state line and all our news came from Nashville)
She cheered all the way through the ballot voting (which was actually fun back then) and explained everything.
Then in 1960 we were glued to the convention. She loved JFK and boy did she hate Nixon!!!
To her dying day she was convinced that Nixon was behind JFK, MLK and RFK assassinations .
greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)At that time, I was sick a lot of the time from bad tonsils and for some odd reason, the doctor was reluctant to take them out. They were the next year after my mother got pissed off. Because polio was still a scary thing back then and I was considered to be at risk, I was kept inside if I had the sniffles.
Strange thing is that my parents were Eisenhower supporters. Go figure. They did support JFK four years later.
a la izquierda
(11,795 posts)Ive had bad tonsils my whole life. Im now 42. I wish Id had them out, but my parents and doctor were hesitant.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)I was sick a good share of the time before the surgery, but was much healthier afterwards. It's never too late; my niece had hers taken out in her 20s.
kcr
(15,317 posts)Mine were so bad the whole family could hear me breathing at night all over the house. My mom still had to push the doctors but by the time they gave in and took them out, there were complications and a long hospital stay.
a la izquierda
(11,795 posts)Weird thing is I get strep with no fever (at least as an adult). My doctor doesnt understand how I can breathe when theyre swollen. Now Im too chicken to have them out (never been put under and Im scared).
And the rest of the records have not been released even though the deadline was 2017.
I also saw it live on TV. The younger generation has not had an opportunity to appreciate the suspicious nature of Oswald's death while in the custody of the Dallas Police department.
ancianita
(36,060 posts)Not that I am aware off. It seems the CIA has assumed that the vast majority of the population just does not care anymore.
ancianita
(36,060 posts)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_John_F._Kennedy_Assassination_Records_Collection_Act_of_1992#2018_Releases
So maybe we'll know everything by 2021.
calimary
(81,300 posts)I was 10. Not old enough to understand a lot of what was going on.
Roy Rolling
(6,917 posts)I didnt understand it, except that another person had been gunned down. Being gunned down right after Kennedy numbed me to think this was normalpeople being shot anywhere.
LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)Too but I cant remember if I saw it live or on repeat.
proActivist
(75 posts)I may have seen it live, but It is hard to remember given the constant replay.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)back when our country and systems did no wrong.
Gonna start paying more attention to what you say ! Lol
bobbieinok
(12,858 posts)Working in the Muovement, reading about and seeing daily on TV what was happening to blacks who just wanted to register to vote, ride a city bus, ride an interstate bus and eat in the 'supposedly' desegregated station cafes--all that really made us realize that indeed the US could do great wrong.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)of diss on what I said...but not 100% sure. Just come out with it straight? Are you saying that there was never a time when people who were ignorant of the horrors people went through should never have thought the US could do no wrong? If yes..you are correct. We never should have thought that. I know...just didn't know then.
kozar
(2,117 posts)The exact same thing,,another historical day,, which books will be written about.
Koz
LeftInTX
(25,364 posts)I was 7 and didn't quite understand the justice system.
My mom kinda tried to explain, but it went over my head. They returned to their focusing and then we had our usual Sunday routine.
Freddie
(9,267 posts)Mostly upset because the Saturday cartoons werent on that weekend. And just like Ruby/Oswald, we will never really know what happened today. People will take the truth to their graves.
Aristus
(66,380 posts)Did Oswald put the thimerisol in the chem trails, too? You know, to distract us from the hunt for moon-landing hoax evidence?
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)Aristus
(66,380 posts)The evidence tells me that, as Stephen King put it, one loser with a mail-order rifle changed the course of history. Not everyone is able to accept the simplicity of that. Not everyone is able to appreciate the scientific beauty of Occam's Razor: the simplest explanation is almost always the correct one.
"No, it was a magic bullet."
"No, it was a wild-eyed Gollum lookalike with a private pilots' license."
"No, it was Meyer Lansky, directing global events from an armchair in Miami, Florida."
"No, it was Fidel Castro, crazed on CIA-poisoned wine and exploding cigars who ordered the hit."
Why do the explanations of what "really happened" all sound so much crazier than what actually did happen?
Aristus
(66,380 posts)Thanks for the support.
"Give thanks and praise to the Lord, and I will feel all right..."
proActivist
(75 posts)wield Occam's razor for truth, justice, and the American (i.e., Enlightenment) way!
Aristus
(66,380 posts)LeftInTX
(25,364 posts)Also Epstein went from mansion to scum in a few weeks. Epstein was allowed to commit suicide.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)Possibly.
H2O Man
(73,558 posts)I agree 100%.
dameatball
(7,398 posts)suicides in both criminal and psychiatric facilities have become increasingly effective and widespread. Why Epstein was not more closely monitored given his recent suicide attempt is baffling.....at best. I am pretty sure that modern practices tend toward trying to avoid restraints. Even when used there are time periods and conditions adhered to. However, given the huge magnitude of this case and the peripheral figures yet to be identified, this lapse in safeguarding an offender is mind boggling.
Gonna be a lot of theories on this one.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)as part of my job. This occurrence is highly unusual, today. Incompetence may be the most likely explanation, but certainly not the only one.
dameatball
(7,398 posts)never wise to underestimate the role of incompetence. When it happens in such a high profile case it is even more puzzling.
A facility can have top of the line equipment, but if there is a problem with protocol, observation, human error...or whatever.....bad outcomes can happen. It just befuddles me how any high profile case such as this can lack oversight (not that it has been proven yet). Then again, Aaron Hernandez says hello.
bucolic_frolic
(43,173 posts)there were several investigators on the trail of the chain of custody of the Zapruder film, some claiming
there were missing frames, following the path of the developing of the film, the labs that produced the copies.
It might be more difficult to effect a coverup in today's focused and digital world, if that was the implication of your OP. Any result will be examined and reexamined by the best investigators ever.
MakeAmericaLoveAgain
(20 posts)His new nickname should be Machine Gun Mitch instead of Moscow Mitch....
calimary
(81,300 posts)I used to work with a deejay whose on-air name was Machine Gun Kelly. But the Machine Gun moniker was a lot more benign - reflecting his loud, rapid-fire mouth.
AndJusticeForSome
(537 posts)Sounds familiar
calimary
(81,300 posts)Spent several summers at the neighbors' pool listening to that station and other AM rockers back then. Never in a million years thought I'd ever actually work there.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)dare name if I like breathing.
sandensea
(21,636 posts)calimary
(81,300 posts)Last edited Sat Aug 10, 2019, 01:56 PM - Edit history (1)
When my husband woke me up with the news, my immediate thought was gee, how convenient.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)calimary
(81,300 posts)xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)I had just walked into her mother's house. My great grandmother said, "Hurry up, they're moving Oswald" Walked into the living room and BANG!I still can't believe we actually saw a person shot, as it happened.
burrowowl
(17,641 posts)it stinks to high heaven.
Rhiannon12866
(205,467 posts)I remember the whole trauma of suddenly being sent home from school and we had the TV at home on all the time. I was the only one watching when I saw Oswald being shot and went to tell my mother in the kitchen. She held onto the counter and said she couldn't take anymore. That's also when I learned the word "grimace," which they kept using in the news reports.
dflprincess
(28,079 posts)"Someone doesn't want him talking."
secondwind
(16,903 posts)bathroom break just as Oswald got shot. The timing was superb. *sarcasm*
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)MicaelS
(8,747 posts)Until the day he died.
I used to be a huge conspiracy buff and gun nut until the first time I visited the Sixth Floor Museum. I stood next to the window Oswald fired from. The first thing that came into my mind was "Shit, Oswald did it. It was an incredibly easy shot."
All the conspiracy bullshit was just that.
And I am 62 years old. Watched the funeral on TV.
John1956PA
(2,654 posts)I agree with you about the dreadful easy opportunity which fate handed to Oswald.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)After all these years is just how truly small Dealey Plaza is on reality.
It looks so enormous on TV and still photographs
John1956PA
(2,654 posts)The view from the Reunion Tower helps to frame the perspective a bit. I know what your saying about the video footage from that awful day presenting a false appearance of spaciousness. The closeups of parents shielding their children on the lawn while people in the background ran towards the fence helped to create an inflated perception of the size of the plaza.
kskiska
(27,045 posts)He's written that when he visited his brother in jail after the shooting that he locked eyes with Lee and Lee told him, "You won't find anything in there, brother."
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)my parents were glued to the TV set, so, yes, we all watched it. That was the power of TV as never before seen.