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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 05:41 PM Aug 2019

China Stops Buying US Agricultural Products Entirely

https://modernfarmer.com/2019/08/china-stops-buying-us-agricultural-products-entirely/

Well that's not good.

It's been a genuine pleasure knowing at least several of you.

On Tuesday, the Chinese Commerce Ministry announced that China will no longer be buying American agricultural products, a decision with huge, wide-ranging implications. Zippy Duvall, president of the normally conservative-leaning American Farm Bureau, called the decision a “body blow” to American agriculture.

The Chinese decision is a response to two moves from Donald Trump and his administration. The first was a surprise announcement, made by Trump, that the US would begin instituting a 10 percent tariff on about $300 billion worth of Chinese goods. This came following a series of trade negotiations that press officers in the Trump administration described as “productive,” but Trump tweeted that China had reneged on promises to purchase certain American agricultural products (without specifying what those might have been).

Then, on Monday, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin formally labeled China as a currency manipulator due to a drop in the value of the yuan. The move is largely symbolic, but also nearly unprecedented, and seen as mostly an open-handed slap in the face to China.

In response, it appears, came the Chinese government’s tactic to halt the purchase of American agricultural goods. China’s targeting of American agriculture has the benefit, in China’s perspective, of being both a large and a political attack. China imports billions of dollars of American agriculture, being the largest importer of American soybeans and a top-three importer of American pork; overall, China is the fourth-largest importer of American agricultural goods. But attacking American agriculture also serves as a de facto attack on Trump, who is perceived to draw support from rural America.

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China Stops Buying US Agricultural Products Entirely (Original Post) Recursion Aug 2019 OP
Well, at least it's good for the pigs, if the Chinese stop buying our pork. thesquanderer Aug 2019 #1
Smithfield Foods is owned by a Chinese company. mwooldri Aug 2019 #6
I no longer buy Smithfield ham katmondoo Aug 2019 #15
+1 shanti Aug 2019 #21
Expect more taxpayer funded farmer welfare. While they're at it, stop ethanol - not necessary. walkingman Aug 2019 #2
We can't patch a total shut-out with some subsidies Recursion Aug 2019 #4
Or rot in the grain bins. GulfCoast66 Aug 2019 #34
No, but Trump can make promises and make a show of it... JHB Aug 2019 #38
Trump has already said that he may spend more than the $37 billion already earmarked. Blue_true Aug 2019 #27
Winning! So much.. lunasun Aug 2019 #3
So much for that Nixon trade deal. world wide wally Aug 2019 #5
So much for all those efforts by Wellstone ruled Aug 2019 #7
China Will Still Be Buying US Agricultural Products... Brother Buzz Aug 2019 #8
Not anymore Recursion Aug 2019 #10
Well, Hell, they got a slick railroad too Brother Buzz Aug 2019 #12
Yup (nt) Recursion Aug 2019 #13
once again trump has done the worse possible thing..starting shit with china questionseverything Aug 2019 #14
Starting shit with China and aligning himself with Modi in India Recursion Aug 2019 #16
the problem is its not that he is stupid, he is doing exactly what putin wants questionseverything Aug 2019 #17
Yup. Stupidity would be stochastic Recursion Aug 2019 #18
Moron would be about 10 steps up. nt Autumn Aug 2019 #45
Generic U.S.A. "farmers" have given us plenty of reasons to criticize them... hunter Aug 2019 #19
so don't eat, that will show em questionseverything Aug 2019 #20
I'm very resourceful and not especially discriminating in my eating habits. hunter Aug 2019 #23
All the fresh produce that I buy is imported, except for strawberries and grapes. Blue_true Aug 2019 #31
And so the Sino-Russian alliance grows. roamer65 Aug 2019 #28
I almost want to peek on over to soybean farmers 2020Junker Aug 2019 #9
This will bankrupt some farmers.... Xolodno Aug 2019 #11
this season was so wet in the spring many crops didnt get planted in time for crop insurance to questionseverything Aug 2019 #22
This year's corn crop is almost gone no matter what Recursion Aug 2019 #24
as i said here in downstate illinois the ag community is so intertwined questionseverything Aug 2019 #44
Ironic. Xolodno Aug 2019 #41
China isn't messing around. They are smart, and strategic Pobeka Aug 2019 #25
China is playing a brilliant hand. Blue_true Aug 2019 #26
This is a big economic deal folks. Hotler Aug 2019 #29
I agree. China blows away the rest of the world when it comes to agriculture Quixote1818 Aug 2019 #36
The farmers are getting what they voted for. Joe941 Aug 2019 #30
Yep. ooky Aug 2019 #40
"Don't worry," said a guy at my husband's gym, "Trump is the best president. phylny Aug 2019 #32
I read that quite a bit over at FR Kaleva Aug 2019 #42
The age of unipolar power is done. Dawson Leery Aug 2019 #33
China produces more produce than any other country. This is going to hurt a lot. Quixote1818 Aug 2019 #35
Donnie, your out of your league! The Chinese are so playing him. GulfCoast66 Aug 2019 #37
Shouldn't this be getting more news? It is pretty scary imo. SweetieD Aug 2019 #39
Thanks Trump TeamPooka Aug 2019 #43

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
1. Well, at least it's good for the pigs, if the Chinese stop buying our pork.
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 05:49 PM
Aug 2019

Pigs are so poorly treated on American farms, that reduced demand for them would be a good thing.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
6. Smithfield Foods is owned by a Chinese company.
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 06:05 PM
Aug 2019

I'm sure the Chinese own plenty of US food processors.

I don't think it will reduce demand, the pigs will still be mistreated and people will still have cheap bacon.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
4. We can't patch a total shut-out with some subsidies
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 05:57 PM
Aug 2019

We're talking 70 million tons of soybeans that have to actually go somewhere

JHB

(37,161 posts)
38. No, but Trump can make promises and make a show of it...
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 09:56 PM
Aug 2019

...to try to hold the full impact off past election day.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
27. Trump has already said that he may spend more than the $37 billion already earmarked.
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 08:53 PM
Aug 2019

Naked corruption. He will drag the rest of the country down a sewer rather than lose a base group.

I hope big-city suburbanites in swing states are paying attention, they give republicans lots of votes and they are getting royally screwed by Trump.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
7. So much for all those efforts by
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 06:06 PM
Aug 2019

the Cash Croppers who made so many trips to China and brought those same Chinese buyers back to the Midwest on their own dime.

Brother Buzz

(36,452 posts)
8. China Will Still Be Buying US Agricultural Products...
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 06:09 PM
Aug 2019

only they will be purchasing them from other countries, like Brazil, who purchase American soybeans at a depressed/distressed prices.

questionseverything

(9,657 posts)
14. once again trump has done the worse possible thing..starting shit with china
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 06:30 PM
Aug 2019

I am saddened by the hate for farmers on du, I personally would rather have families controlling farm acres rather than mega corporate whoever buying up the land

we have the cheapest best quality food in the world because of the farmer

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
16. Starting shit with China and aligning himself with Modi in India
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 06:32 PM
Aug 2019

over an India/China border dispute in Kashmir. Jesus, what a moron.

questionseverything

(9,657 posts)
17. the problem is its not that he is stupid, he is doing exactly what putin wants
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 06:36 PM
Aug 2019

bringing the USA to its knees

hunter

(38,322 posts)
19. Generic U.S.A. "farmers" have given us plenty of reasons to criticize them...
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 06:51 PM
Aug 2019

... from cruelty to animals, to poisoning the earth, to promoting unhealthy diets, to voting for anti-humanist politicians...

The cult of the "good" farmer needs to die.

It's not my fault that so many rubes, even multi-millionaire farmer rubes, were bamboozled by Trump's lies.

Or any Republican lies.

questionseverything

(9,657 posts)
20. so don't eat, that will show em
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 07:10 PM
Aug 2019

Detroit had 40,000 undervotes in the presidential election of 2016...that had a lot more to do with trump being elected then the 10 or 12 farmers in any given county

the problems you listed are not because of the family farmer, not even the guy that inherited a couple hundred acres they are problem the corporations have brought on us as they buy up the small failing farms


hunter

(38,322 posts)
23. I'm very resourceful and not especially discriminating in my eating habits.
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 07:28 PM
Aug 2019

It wouldn't bother me a nano-second if the factory farm meat and dairy industries die. Or the automobile industry for whatever that is worth.

But please don't try to pin my radical environmentalist views on ALL democrats.

However I might disagree with fellow Democrats, the Republican Party is far, far, worse.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
31. All the fresh produce that I buy is imported, except for strawberries and grapes.
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 09:08 PM
Aug 2019

Those come from California. I am not sure that I will be hurt that much by farmers going under, maybe pay a little more, but we already do that with farm support payments.

You are right on under votes. Blacks here in Florida underperformed in the 2016 election. But in their defense, a lot of them are in counties that neither Hillary nor anyone big for her campaign stepped a foot in.

Xolodno

(6,398 posts)
11. This will bankrupt some farmers....
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 06:17 PM
Aug 2019

...add to that, there is a domino effect. Some small towns could very well belly up and vanish with no income from farmers coming in. Loss of tax revenue to the state. Given they are GOP states, services are cut. Agricultural service companies also feel the squeeze with a loss of fertilizer, farm equipment, pesticide, etc. sales, leases, etc. And they start cutting.

Some farmers may get desperate and have an "accidental fire" on their silo housing the crop. And I've seen this in Work Comp, you know a recession is coming when the Work Comp claim frequency starts spiking, workers seeing a sudden slow down in business, which usually results in layoffs...have "an accident". Likewise, Crop Claims will spike...and crop insurance rates increase a year or so later, putting the squeeze on other farmers....perhaps even throwing them into bankruptcy.

The Great Recession (really a depression...just changed the lingo) hit suburbia and cities really hard. I'm wondering if this next one is going to slam fly-over country.

questionseverything

(9,657 posts)
22. this season was so wet in the spring many crops didnt get planted in time for crop insurance to
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 07:13 PM
Aug 2019

cover


people just do not realize how connected our economy is to ag business

not to mention how connected our dinner table is

questionseverything

(9,657 posts)
44. as i said here in downstate illinois the ag community is so intertwined
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 04:24 PM
Aug 2019

so it's terrifying

between the artic wildfires, Greenland melting, 109 degrees in paris and knee high corn in late july


it feels like the end of times

Xolodno

(6,398 posts)
41. Ironic.
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 11:45 PM
Aug 2019

Many farmers deny global warming....but it's probably that reason why they couldn't plant in "normal circumstances".

While back when I was vacationing in Colorado, on a van to our river rapid destination, we were doing small talk. One person stated that since I live in California, we we're undergoing a severe drought...and snickered a bit. My response, "yes, we are in a severe drought, a really bad one...which means all your food prices are going to sky rocket". The guide for the rapid tour then spoke up and said "Yeap, a lot of our food comes from California". The individual in question, not only shut up....but his face changed for the worse.

So, I'm not snickering like the idiot on the van. Agriculture is a major US exporter and is heavily subsidized since the Great Depression for our benefit. When I visited Europe a couple of years ago, talking with other people there, they were amazed at the quantity of food. I responded stating that I was amazed at the quality of food.

Ag has always been a major factor of our economy, contrary to popular belief. For example, Napoleon relied heavily on US imports of food, when the British blockade became detrimental, along with the war of 1812, some historians speculate that he launched his war on Russia just to gain access to their crops....and we all know how that turned out.

Today is no different, need proof? Why in the fuck are farmers in the Imperial Valley California growing food in the middle of the fucking desert? Or the Fresno Valley, etc? They pay for water at the acre foot what we pay for 100 gallons (no exact number there, just making a point on the disparity). Likewise flyover country has the same deal......growing crops in what was called at one time the "Great American Desert".

Pobeka

(4,999 posts)
25. China isn't messing around. They are smart, and strategic
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 08:36 PM
Aug 2019

I read well over a year ago they would target states controlled by GOP senators for economic pain if they had to.

Looks like that time has arrived.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
26. China is playing a brilliant hand.
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 08:48 PM
Aug 2019

Chinese companies own big meat processors here in the USA. If the bottom crashes out on grain and feed, the processors save buttloads of money. Some of the Chinese brands are too brands, so it isn't like USA consumers won't keep buying the meat products.

Hotler

(11,440 posts)
29. This is a big economic deal folks.
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 09:02 PM
Aug 2019

I haven't looked yet, but I would think this would be big news and the markets would get scared.

Quixote1818

(28,955 posts)
36. I agree. China blows away the rest of the world when it comes to agriculture
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 09:52 PM
Aug 2019

so they have to buy a ton of equipment from us. I would be selling my John Deere and Caterpillar stock right now.

phylny

(8,383 posts)
32. "Don't worry," said a guy at my husband's gym, "Trump is the best president.
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 09:20 PM
Aug 2019

He is very smart. He's miles ahead of the Chinese and he knows what he's doing."

Kaleva

(36,325 posts)
42. I read that quite a bit over at FR
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 11:49 PM
Aug 2019

Trump is playing 3D chess while everyone else is playing checkers.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
37. Donnie, your out of your league! The Chinese are so playing him.
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 09:52 PM
Aug 2019

They are fucking smart. And have 3000 years of history to lean on.

Trump goes into a negotiation with them thinking about next year. They are thinking decades ahead.

This is their chance to break us. Had trump continued down the path Obama was on(I know, a joke!) working with our Europeans allies to show a united front against China, we could have pushed them along in liberalization of their economy away from government control. That horse has fled the barn.

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