Does anyone know the Dayton killer's motive? Nt

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[LisaL]

1. Apparently he wanted to kill people for quite a while.

He reportedly had a "hit" list and "rape" list in high school.

"She said some of the names were female students who, like her, turned him down for dates. She said Betts often simulated shooting other students and threatened to kill himself and others on several occasions."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/us/connor-betts-dayton-shooting-profile/index.html

[DeminPennswoods]

2. No

It seems to be a head scratcher for now.

[LisaL]

3. It really is not if you look at his history of behavior.

He worked as a crew member in a fast food place. He reportedly had "hit" list of people he wanted to kill when he was in high school and a "rape" list. Doesn't sound like he was successful in either personal or professional life.

[BumRushDaShow]

4. They are still figuring that out but an article I just read this morning from AP

indicated that former high school classmates of his said that he was always "obsessed with guns" and even had a "hit list" of students at his school (apparently mostly girls) and had actually been pulled off a school bus after it was reported and was eventually kicked out of the school.

Connor Stephen Betts, identified as Dayton suspected shooter, had 'hit list,' 'rape list,' classmates say

AP
Updated 27 minutes ago

DAYTON, Ohio -- High school classmates of the gunman who killed nine people early Sunday in Dayton, Ohio, say he was suspended for compiling a "hit list" of those he wanted to kill and a "rape list" of girls he wanted to sexually assault. Authorities identified 24-year-old Connor Stephen Betts of Bellbrook, Ohio, as the gunman in the weekend's second mass shooting. Police say the active shooter situation began at 1 a.m. in the Oregon District, but officers nearby were able to neutralize Betts as he tried to enter a crowded bar less than 30 seconds after the shooting began. Nine people were killed, not including the shooter, who was fatally shot by responding officers.

Dayton Mayor Nan Whaley said the gunman was carrying a .223-caliber rifle, had additional high-capacity magazines with him and was wearing body armor. Police later said he was also wearing a mask and ear protection. Investigators have not yet determined a motive for the shooting. Dayton Police Chief Richard Biehl said there is "no evidence to suggest there's a bias motive in this crime at this time."

Betts' sister Megan is among those who were killed, and authorities are trying to build a timeline to determine the shooter's movements before he opened fire. Police in Bellbrook confirmed Sunday morning that they were assisting Dayton police and the FBI to execute a search warrant at the home where the suspect lived with his family.

According to court records, Betts was arrested for a DUI in 2016. He plead guilty to a lesser charge, "physical control," which meant Betts was found in his vehicle with the key in the ignition, but not driving, the prosecuting attorney confirmed to ABC News. Betts was fined $515 and given probation but spent time in jail as a result of violating his probation.


https://6abc.com/dayton-suspected-shooter-had-hit-list-rape-list-classmates-say/5442328/

The above version of the article was actually updated even further than what I originally saw earlier this morning (lots of details further down in the article)!

He had been arrested for violating probation and even spent some time in jail for that probation violation. I have a theory on why he still managed to be such an upstanding member of the gun community though.

[Siwsan]

5. From what I've read, he sounded like a pathological misogynist

That he was kicked out of school for writing a 'hit' list made up entirely of female names - what more needs saying? I wonder if the victim ratio of women to men (4/5) he killed had to do with his rampage being cut short. And that he killed his sister!?!?!?! I wonder if we will ever learn the reason.

The males, in his life/circle, thought he was an ok guy, but the females picked up on some really discomforting vibes.

[LisaL]

6. He apparently had two lists: "hit" list and "rape" list.

He likely wasn't satisfied with either his professional or personal life. And therefore was presumably jealous of people more successful than him.

[Igel]

10. I take that to be a single witness.

Yes, I like looking at the quality of the information. But the two people were introduced, anonymously, at the same time and one seems to have done the talking. They're presented as being neutral only because no bias is attributed to them. The speaker may or may not have been neutral and it might have been one person talking aggressively and the other "remembering" things for the first time and nodding. You can't tell, so it makes the evidence less than conclusive.

The two people saying that he was a great guy are named and were interviewed at different times in different places. So those clearly are two sources. On the other hand, one was a friend (and therefore can't be trusted, I guess). The other was a customer where he worked.

There's the non-committal "I won't dispute that" which may be a tacit confirmation or merely ducking the question. But it's clearly to be taken as confirmation.

And finally there's the "we don't know what *else* he did, and you never know. I mean, having no record as an adult could easily hide anything done as a juvenile." That, of course, can be said about nearly everybody. Coupled with talking to others who knew him as a kid but who don't mention convictions, it's just innuendo.


Fits in neatly with "apparently," "likely," "presumably" when it comes to actual facts at this point.

[dewsgirl]

7. My husband is from Dayton, my mother was from Dayton. Her whole family is

Is there. I have spent quite a bit of time where this occured in the Oregon district, on my many many vacations there. I don't understand.

[uponit7771]

8. 6 of the 9 people killed in Ohio were black Donald Trump is stoking racial animus against PoC ...

... and it is rumored (not verified) that his sister was dating a black person.

[dawnie51]

9. I think the answer may be his sister.....

either who she was dating or hanging out with. She was one of the first he shot, and I doubt that was coincidence.

[DeminPennswoods]

11. That's what I think as well.

The 3rd person, the "companion", was shot, but survived. He should be able to shed more light on the exact circumstances of what happened since he, Betts and Betts' sister all rode together.