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In context of these recent shootings.
And in the context of the GOP response, which is 90%+ a white party.
What the heck is wrong with them?
Edit: This is coming from a black, non-Hispanic immigrant.
LonePirate
(13,431 posts)Blaming minorities allows the right to keep the heat off the 1% and corporations who are the real culprits behind much of America's economic in equality and hardship.
JI7
(89,275 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,222 posts).
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ConnorMarc
(653 posts)I wonder if this is obvious to everyone.
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)queue calliope
underpants
(182,901 posts)I've been immersed with them for a long time. Still trying to figure it out.
BigmanPigman
(51,632 posts)White men never had to worry about harm coming to them. When drugs were a problem it was in minority communities and very little was done. When it entered into the white communities with opioids over the past 10 years they finally see it in their own back yards and finally show concern. It has to effect them personally for them to think it is something serious and needs to be addressed.
They are feeling and acting like the poor victims now due to tRump fueling their fear as they lose control of their cushy lives due to globalization. They are no longer guaranteed a position as the top dog in society anymore. White American men are the new terrorists...go figure.
ConnorMarc
(653 posts)That's about how many consistently vote GOP all the time, right?
Nay
(12,051 posts)contribute to the failure. Once women and black people won the rights to attend college, apply for decent-paying jobs, etc., they proved themselves able to meet or exceed any standards. White men, who had been taught that only they were smart enough, hard-working enough and also blessed by God himself to lead everyone else, found out they weren't so damn special after all.
And that's why they are pissed. They have to PROVE their worth, not just claim it because they are white.
Essentially, these types are immature and the internet has fed that immaturity. That's why lots of these guys are still living with their parents, refuse to do well in school, and hold minor jobs, if any. In the past (I'm 70), these guys would be tossed out of the house and forced to work construction, whatever, to support themselves. That's how they matured (some of them). Most 'white man' jobs, no matter how badly they pay now, paid well because only white men were hired for them and they protected each other. That has all changed. Then add in automation. With automation, we are ALL fucked.
ConnorMarc
(653 posts)But weren't they (white men) already pissed at blacks from before they started "terkin' errr jerbs?!?"
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Nay
(12,051 posts)at a white woman, etc. As long as you stayed in your place, you would most likely be OK unless a mob was on a mindless rampage. (Lots of lynchings were done by roving mobs.) White men felt the same way toward white women -- wives and daughters did what they were told, or else. When I was a child, no cop would bother a man slapping his wife around; it was considered a private family issue. You might get a talking-to if the screaming disturbed the neighbors.
Once women and blacks could free themselves from white men by getting decent jobs, white men started getting enraged all the time. Then the internet, where they can congregate and tell each other how awful women and coloreds are, and how they need to die. It's a huge mental health problem, on top of the fact that these types start out as your garden-variety assholes. Now they're assholes on steroids.
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customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Good comeback. Change the word "white" in the title of the OP to "black", and it then obviously looks both racist and pejorative.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)KentuckyWoman
(6,695 posts)I am shocked I tell you. SHOCKED.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Scary.
ConnorMarc
(653 posts)Really!?!??
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)In America with the last 400 years of the black experience in this country, you might have a point.
But otherwise, you don't. Sorry.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)The question shouldn't be about white PEOPLE in America, but rather Young, White MEN.
And my answer is I don't know.
ConnorMarc
(653 posts)Historically, white American men have been the most violent and most terroristic (if that's even a word) in this country.
I mean, cross burnings, firehosing folks, lynchings...all while their good white families and the town crowded around in approval.
It's way past time for a reckoning, don't you think?
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)This! There are a lot of white people out there who have issues with racism, but there seems to be one demographic in particular that is responsible for most of the mass shootings in this country and it young, white men.
There are a few outliers, such as middle aged white men and a very few minority men, but the biggest danger by far seems to be coming from young white men.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)I am a white woman and have a white son, age 39, who is as liberal as they come. He has a college degree, as do his father and I, and also our two daughters and our (white) son-in-law. We are all staunch Dem voters!
The education factor must not be overlooked. It's also upbringing. Conservative parents tend to produce conservative kids--unless they get educated out of it!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)ConnorMarc
(653 posts)What's the underlying cause for such hatred?
Aren't they self-professed Christians?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)tblue37
(65,490 posts)and general lack of impulse control.
So when white people are flooded with propaganda that incites violence, the young men are the ones most likely to act on it.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Rural, semi-rural, and alienated, poorly educated whites detest the inevitable demographic shifts occurring in America. They envision brown hordes taking away their stuff and getting free stuff from the government.
That, and theyre terrified of change.
ConnorMarc
(653 posts)In the height of the Civil Rights movement...were they afraid their whiteness was slipping away then too?
Basically, what I'm asking is...when have they NOT acted this way?
VOX
(22,976 posts)But Trump, Fox, hate-radio and social media have given them a voice theyve never had at this level.
And theyre pushing boundaries, even shooting through them. Theyve got an advocate in the White House, their own Pravda-like news network, and the churning, unflushable toilet of social media, all spitting out exactly what they want to hear.
Theyre deluded into believing that THIS is their time come around at last. More likely, theyre going out like a super nova, with a large flare before the lights go out.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)They don't have a good education, or a good job or good property--each of those being related. They are just "nobodies"--except they think at least they are white.
underpants
(182,901 posts)and our media spurs them on.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)stand it - and you would believe the amount of people who blame this on "God" being taken out of the schools and communities.
I feel like screaming at them, "NO! These are YOUR people!" These are Right-wing, Christian, white-supremecists. They are "Christian", yet they are filled with hatred for anyone who isn't like them.
These are not Liberal, Democratic Athiests and Agnostics shooting up schools and stores and festivals. These are your people!
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)only want white model type of women who they can treat like crap.
However, white model type of women can hook up with any color of the raindow they prefer.
Unfair, to control freak white guys, and instead of picking up their game, they rather blame others.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Why don't you police your community and prevent these bad things?
(Is what we told all other races and religions to do.)
Not so easy, is it?
I'm white living in an 80%+ brown area.
I don't have any problem, but it's been a long time since I was 20. Back then I was in the Marines working Avionics, and not whining about how there were minorities getting promoted before me. Suck it up, turn off fox, limpbutt and Jones and smile.
You may find you're an incel because your attitude sucks.
KentuckyWoman
(6,695 posts)You are the problem.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,448 posts)examining how its success is rooted in the oppression and exploitation of the bodies of black people and POC. White people have been raised to believe that equality and success and opportunity is a pie, and finite, and can only belong to some people who earn it and deserve it, and the strongest indicator of that worthiness is the color of your skin.
ConnorMarc
(653 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,110 posts)are to blame? I hate that line of thinking. SHM
Mossfern
(2,557 posts)while reading this thread I was formulating a response - glad to see that you got it covered. Maybe the author can edit the subject line to "some" or "so many"?
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)Response to zackymilly (Reply #24)
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WhiskeyGrinder
(22,448 posts)ConnorMarc
(653 posts)I put context in it in my OP.
If you're feeling mentally abused by it then, I dunno what to tell you.
58Sunliner
(4,410 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,448 posts)Not all white people recognize that fact.
All white people in the U.S. live in a white hegemony.
Not all white people are working to dismantle it.
Better?
Ferrets are Cool
(21,110 posts)That does not address the subject line. He claims there is something very wrong with ALL white people that needs to be addressed. I am vehemently objecting to that. Add the word 'MOST" and I am ok with that, but what the OP did was implicate that ALL white people are the same, and that same he was implying was not a good thing.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,448 posts)Are you someone who says black lives matter TOO, too?
Ferrets are Cool
(21,110 posts)Here is your participation trophy.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,448 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Approve of these shootings.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,448 posts)"Disapproving" of race-based shootings is the easy part.
treestar
(82,383 posts)And anyone can do a mass shooting for any basis. Some of them have no basis in group identity at all.
sir pball
(4,760 posts)The ones who love to say stupid shit like "If Teh Blax can be proud of their Black heritage, why can't I be proud of my White heritage?" or "Teh Gayz have a month to celebrate their history, what's wrong with wanting a month for us Whites to celebrate ours?" I'm one of the whitest kids you'll ever meet (we didn't just go to an Episcopal church in my little white-house-black-shutter WASP as hell CT hometown, we had to go to the "right" one, not the "new" one), and while I'm not particularly activist, I'm definitely aware of what advantages I have and have had throughout life, and blankly stare when someone pulls that "I'm White and proud of it!" shit.
I tend to remind them that my Scots/English-heritage half hates their White-ass French asses, and my Polish-heritage half DEFINITELY still has some bones to pick with those paragons of Whiteness in Germany.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Muslims want to kill us all that we hear from the white right wing.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)local news out of St. Louis for a few weeks, to gain some perspective.
elleng
(131,136 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)I grew up in TX where there were a lot of black people. I rarely if ever interacted with them. I moved out of there to CO when I was still young enough to reassess my perspective. Even then, most of CO is white or Hispanic (not black.) It wasn't until I worked for several years in a predominantly immigrant suburb that I really began to appreciate diversity.
Yes, I mean that I had to be retrained through cultural immersion. That was the only thing that really did it. And I had to work at a school that was mostly POC.
Look, I say that I learned a hell of a lot, but I'm still worried about reverting. I suppose that, in the end, that's the best I can do: continuously work on self awareness. I sincerely doubt that is possible in the dominant white culture without having had the exposure I've had.
ConnorMarc
(653 posts)What do you mean by "I had to be retrained?" as in, from what to what?
And also/too,"reverting", same as above.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)I was living and working in a highly racially diverse setting. Whereas I had never considered the daily lives of POCs, now I was part of their daily lives. In other words, we are one community with shared experiences. Before that happened, I was content to worry only about my own life. By "reverting" I mean returning to that previous state where I did not actively consider the issues of POCs in my community. That's the sort of mental segregation I'm referring to. A white person sees someone of color. There is no hate for them, but there certainly isn't any recognition of inequality. It's just sort of "You have your life and I have mine." Call it soft core racism if you like. White people just don't want to care.
ConnorMarc
(653 posts)Stems from the racist history of this country.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Some posters have taken offense. I freely admit I still have some learning to do. How the hell can I know what it's like to be black in America when I am white? I still don't. There is simply no way I can. Not fully anyway.
Here is an example. I had a student several years ago who was African American. After she had my class for the semester she began working in the tutoring center where I also work. We became closer friends. At some point I just forgot about her being "black." She was just my buddy. About two years ago (when MAGAt racism was really beginning to take off) she told me that she and her mother had taken a walk around their neighborhood, and some kid had yelled "F you, fat n---." I was really pissed off. She told me she was going to start walking with a baseball bat. The next week I asked her if she had seen the kid again. She told me to drop it; she didn't want to discuss it.
So what did I learn from this? I took it more personally than she did because I felt alienated from her in that moment. I was a white dude listening to what some other white person said to her. When she told me she didn't want to discuss it further, I realized how much I was overcompensating for something perpetrated by another of "my race." So there is guilt associated with racism. I think that guilt can quickly turn allies into enemies. That guilt is not your problem. No way! It's just that we white people don't like being reminded of our racist tendencies. As a whole, we have a lot of growing up to do.
ConnorMarc
(653 posts)Sparkly
(24,149 posts)ConnorMarc
(653 posts)And they themselves engage in aggressions against black women.
Look up the Mallory controversy w/the "Me Too Movement"
Remember when everyone thought that all white women would support Hillary, even Republican ones?
Didn't happen, they supported Trump to the tune of 54%, correct me if I'm wrong.
Is it something in the soup?
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)They have for centuries. And this has not only resulted in such abominations as the current presidency, but has also caused death and mayhem for black people - especially black men who have lived and still live under the threat of being false accusations by white women of "crimes" that can have dire effects on their lives.
Their whiteness draws them much closer to white men than their femaleness draws them to other women.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,448 posts)solidarity.
Beringia
(4,316 posts)Like the Barbara Bush quote:
"But why should we hear about body bags and deaths, and how many, what day it's gonna happen, and how many this or that or what do you suppose? Or, I mean, it's not relevant. So, why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that, and watch him (her husband, former president George H. W. Bush) suffer?"
Addressing the question of how much television news she'd recently been watching, in light of the enormous media attention given to likely outcomes in a U.S. war with Iraq. The interview took place two days prior to the start of the Iraq War, Good Morning America (18 March 2003)
My father was involved in community help to blacks in Chicago for his whole career, so the whole subject is in my blood. But my youngest sister was not as influenced by my dad as the rest of us. She doesn't want to waste her "beautiful mind" on other people's problems. I visited her in Alaska once and we were watching the winter olympics and the black ice skater from Chicago was winning and I was saying how great that was, and she said, she didn't care, he wasn't from Alaska, so why should she care.
Shani Davis
Catherine Vincent
(34,491 posts)She_Totally_Gets_It
(142 posts)ConnorMarc
(653 posts)Too many.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)It is a mental disease.
sweetloukillbot
(11,070 posts)Just shows how ingrained white privilege is.
If something is said about white people it MUST be about ME, and HOW DARE YOU!
cwydro
(51,308 posts)The OP wouldnt last for long if any other race was substituted for white people.
sweetloukillbot
(11,070 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,448 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)That makes generalizing about them ok? Holding them responsible for the acts of others is fine because of this privilege. But if you dont have the privilege, such a thing would be unfair. How does that work?
How do you expect that to sell to the average white voter? They arent a minority yet , so at least some of them are needed.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,448 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)You may as well join the Deplorables in saying that Muslims are responsible to stop Islamic terrorism. How do you claim it is different ? Muslims arent an oppressed minority in their countries either.
Nonwhite people are not so helpless as you indicate as they have done more than most white people to do away with white supremacy.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Even on this board:
"Pete Buttigieg's ideas are starting to intrigue black voters. Their support is another matter." (his ideas aren't intriguing ALL black voters)
"Joe Biden remains a favorite among black voters, even if he doesn't know his Kool-Aid" (he's not a favorite among ALL black voters)
"Trump Fuels Racial Disharmony. Will It Motivate or Discourage Black Voters?" (ALL black voters won't either be motivated or discouraged by Trump)
"If black voters come to view Kamala Harris as viable, much of their support will migrate to her" (SOME black voters will never come to view Harris as viable)
"People of color are embracing self-care, activism after Trump's latest racist tweets" (Not ALLl black voters are embracing self-care and activism)
"Black, Latino Dems torch DCCC for lack of diversity" (Not ALL black and Latino Dems torched DCCC)
Not one of these thread titles describing blacks, Latinos and other persons of color narrowed down the description to certain subsets of those groups or stated "not ALL." Yet, there was no hue and cry (there never is) about people of color being lumped together or being the victims of "generalization," or not being treated as individuals. And there certainly was no concern expressed about how we could "expect that to sell to the average black voter."
So yes. One of the privileges of being white is not only usually being treated as an individual, not part of a group and, on top of that, feeling perfectly entitled to resent it and speak up whenever they are identified as being part of a larger group.
treestar
(82,383 posts)It is not at all the same usage.
If have defended about Muslims all wanting t to attack us many time talking to right wing nuts.
I understand the privilege but dont see how it justifies the same type of generalizing. Most white people are appalled by white supremacists. As I have argued most Muslims dont wish us all dead and other such nonsense from the deplorables.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)I have yet to see anyone complaining about references to "white people" base their complaint on the fact that the reference is a "shortcut for '"the majority.'" The objection is that referring to "white people" implies that ALL white people think a certain way or do a certain thing (which it doesn't). But no one complains when people refer to "black people" or assume that the reference is to ALL black people. Arguing now that everyone knows that referring to "black people" is a "shortcut for 'the majority'" of black people, while referring to "white people" means ALL white people is a dodge.
The truth is that, as I said, one of the privileges of whiteness is feeling entitled to be offended at being referred to as part of a group because they think of themselves as just "people," while being perfectly comfortable with other "people" being identified by their group.
betsuni
(25,641 posts)wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Or are you referring to the person I'm responding to?
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)weekend's shootings?
Broad brushing white people as some do in this thread is racist. Those doing it are racists. I am not sure what your point is.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Feeling perfectly entitled to lecture black people about what is and isn't racist.
ConnorMarc
(653 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)My favorites are the ones where white people (but not all white people ...) explain to us who black voters are supporting or should support and why.
But that's different, I suppose.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)it could be an aversion to stereotyping
JimGinPA
(14,811 posts)Wouldn't be permitted here if "white people" was replaced by any other group of people.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And we could never get away with having "White Entertainment Television" or the "National Association for the Advancement of White People."
And let's not even talk about what would happen if we marched around chanting "White Lives Matter!"
sweetloukillbot
(11,070 posts)As a straight white male, I'm hopelessly persecuted...
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)I'm so sorry.
Blecht
(3,803 posts)I want to know the same thing.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)other race and there would be a pile on the OP calling out racism.
The author of the OP knows what he's doing. DU has slid since trump to something akin to trumpism.
ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)And go read a few books
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)Anyone agreeing with the OP is a racist just as trump is.
Definition of racism
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)Always so deep.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,448 posts)didn't live in a white hegemony.
This country has a problem with white supremacy. It was built on white supremacy. Who better to address it and dismantle it than white people?
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)And this is not a racist thread.
Proceed.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)ConnorMarc
(653 posts)Thank you.
Bonx
(2,075 posts)Or why it's being allowed to continue.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)kimbutgar
(21,206 posts)Is a very ethic looking Mexican who is so far gone he would sell off his own race. This guy could be scooped up by the INS but he thinks fat donnie is the greatest president in his lifetime. He become a right winger because of 9-11 and stews daily listening to rush, sean and savage in his workshop. My husband tells me when he walks by that area he is repulsed by the snippets he hears of the hate coming from the radio. I wonder what Rush etc are saying today probably blaming the liberals for the shootings.
DBoon
(22,397 posts)The landed aristocracy in the 18th/19th century
The self employed Germans in the early 20th century
White people in 21st century USA
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)We can't walk down the street for all the white people lashing out violently. Nobody goes to work anymore. No more sweet grannies. No more helping people, we are too busy lashing out violently.
My wife at work, she is right now lashing out violently. Me too!
What a crock of shit!
DBoon
(22,397 posts)Did something happen to make you so unpleasant today?
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,448 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)and the inability to live up to the image considered acceptable...that and the lack of a human connection.
H2O Man
(73,622 posts)spanone
(135,884 posts)JustFiveMoreMinutes
(2,133 posts).. and I was excited because I love that show.....
But it was at the dinner where the brother was being an obnoxious shit.
And knowing the ending... I just couldn't bear to watch that WhiteIsRight crap.
sigh. ,
BlueTsunami2018
(3,503 posts)Theres a big problem with radicalized, right wing white people. Particularly with radicalized, right wing, younger men.
Theres not much difference between this group and other radicalized terror groups around the world.
The real question is, what do we do about it? How do we fix it? Can we fix it?
I have some ideas, none of which will ever be addressed by a Republican dominated Senate.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Most think they know what racism is, and have confined it to a very narrow range of very specific behaviors... They think KKK, Nazi, lynching, concentration camps.. Anything outside of that.. not really racism to them.
They refuse to see the fact that the majority of entire races of people dont intrinsically trust law enforcement and the judicial system to treat them fairly, to address their grievances, or engage them equitably as a sign of a larger problem. The lack of innate trust that they have in LE and our judicial system is something everyone should have to them, all despite the plethora of evidence provided that races are not treated equally by LE, nor the Judicial system as a whole.
And thats just one area of whats wrong.. similarities exist in the employment market, banking, housing/renting markets, or even just walking across the street and clutching a purse closer just because a minority passes by too closely..
Just to start..