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ConnorMarc

(653 posts)
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 07:13 PM Aug 2019

What's Wrong With White People in America?

In context of these recent shootings.

And in the context of the GOP response, which is 90%+ a white party.

What the heck is wrong with them?

Edit: This is coming from a black, non-Hispanic immigrant.

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What's Wrong With White People in America? (Original Post) ConnorMarc Aug 2019 OP
Some (most?) of it is due to the right convincing them that minorities caused their economic mess. LonePirate Aug 2019 #1
did you see where the el paso shooter lived ? JI7 Aug 2019 #3
+1 white extinction anxiety is more like it + enough with the economic garbage lunasun Aug 2019 #79
Here's how to decode a shooter. TheBlackAdder Aug 2019 #29
Basically ConnorMarc Aug 2019 #36
. Dennis Donovan Aug 2019 #2
White guy here underpants Aug 2019 #4
They have been protected and entitled for their entire lives. BigmanPigman Aug 2019 #5
So is this a MORAL failure of just over 50% of the American white population? ConnorMarc Aug 2019 #7
Yep, pretty much. White men, mainly. And their 'churches' and general patriarchy Nay Aug 2019 #62
Pretty good and valid points ConnorMarc Aug 2019 #99
Only in situations where blacks were 'uppity' to whites, or had the nerve to look Nay Aug 2019 #104
The main problem with "white people" is poor vision; and they are rare real Cannabis calm Aug 2019 #6
Ha, I see what you did there! customerserviceguy Aug 2019 #37
The OP is racist and divisive. lagomorph777 Aug 2019 #57
And allowed to stand on DU KentuckyWoman Aug 2019 #90
Yeah - allowed to stand. lagomorph777 Aug 2019 #118
You really think it's the same? ConnorMarc Aug 2019 #98
If we changed the word "white" to "black" and then replaced the last 400 years of white experience StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #115
In the context of these recent shootings DesertRat Aug 2019 #8
Yeah, I guess one COULD argue that, but... ConnorMarc Aug 2019 #10
+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2019 #14
young, white, undereducated men. ginnyinWI Aug 2019 #27
Hatred. Hoyt Aug 2019 #9
But why though? ConnorMarc Aug 2019 #12
White wing Christians are different. They descended from slave owners. Hoyt Aug 2019 #16
Propaganda works, and young males are the demographic most inclined to violence, crime, tblue37 Aug 2019 #30
They're afraid that their whiteness-value is slipping away. VOX Aug 2019 #11
Again, just 50 years ago, or let's say 60 ConnorMarc Aug 2019 #13
Yes, they've always been racist and suspicious of outsiders. VOX Aug 2019 #19
because their whiteness is all they've really got to feel good about. ginnyinWI Aug 2019 #28
I think you nailed it underpants Aug 2019 #48
I will sometimes go on other boards and read the comments - for as long as I can smirkymonkey Aug 2019 #15
White young incel males, Corgigal Aug 2019 #17
Hey white people! SCVDem Aug 2019 #18
Well according to the OP KentuckyWoman Aug 2019 #89
White people live in a country that is built on white supremacy, and is strongly invested in not WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2019 #20
That part! ConnorMarc Aug 2019 #33
According to your subject line, ALL white people Ferrets are Cool Aug 2019 #21
My thoughts exactly Mossfern Aug 2019 #22
I'm white and trying to think of a good way to punish myself for being born that way. n/t zackymilly Aug 2019 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Joe941 Aug 2019 #25
Why would you need to punish yourself for being born white? WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2019 #41
The subject line is correct ConnorMarc Aug 2019 #34
The subject line is your own post-self-verifying? Lol. 58Sunliner Aug 2019 #56
All white people in the U.S. benefit from white privilege. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2019 #39
Hell no Ferrets are Cool Aug 2019 #43
I don't see "all" in the subject line. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2019 #45
Ok, you win. Ferrets are Cool Aug 2019 #50
What do you think the OP was asking? WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2019 #60
But they do not in the mass treestar Aug 2019 #68
Perhaps, but white supremacy is a lot more than race-based shootings. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2019 #71
There are many guns treestar Aug 2019 #78
I call them "self-identified Whites" sir pball Aug 2019 #47
Quite like the whole treestar Aug 2019 #67
I'd suggest watching pintobean Aug 2019 #23
CVE for White People: The Trumpist Movement and the Radicalization Process elleng Aug 2019 #26
Continued segregation ProudLib72 Aug 2019 #31
Couple of things... ConnorMarc Aug 2019 #38
What I mean about "retrained" is I had to be sensitized ProudLib72 Aug 2019 #49
Got it. ConnorMarc Aug 2019 #100
Your original question referred to all white people ProudLib72 Aug 2019 #108
Your last sentence... ConnorMarc Aug 2019 #112
White MEN. nt Sparkly Aug 2019 #32
White women overwhelmingly support them though ConnorMarc Aug 2019 #35
All too many white women align with and enable white men StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #46
And the white women who support them, as well as white feminists who choose color over WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2019 #40
I think it has to do with not wanting to not wanting to taint their beautiful minds Beringia Aug 2019 #42
You mean "some" white people. NT Catherine Vincent Aug 2019 #44
No. Many if not most! Need to be honest about this fact. She_Totally_Gets_It Aug 2019 #111
If you want an apropos qualifier, Catherine, it would be... ConnorMarc Aug 2019 #113
White exceptionalism. democratisphere Aug 2019 #51
The number of "Not All White People!" in this thread sweetloukillbot Aug 2019 #52
Or perhaps it's that many of us dislike sweeping generalizations, about any race. cwydro Aug 2019 #53
Yup, privilege sweetloukillbot Aug 2019 #54
White privilege is not a generalization, though. Every white person does have it. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2019 #59
Because white people are privileged treestar Aug 2019 #66
. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2019 #70
No one is butt hurt treestar Aug 2019 #77
We generalize about people all the time, especially people of color StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #72
We know that is a shortcut for "the majority " treestar Aug 2019 #75
Think about what you just said StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #80
+1000000000000 betsuni Aug 2019 #97
All racists wax elegant defending racism. wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #85
Are you calling me a racist? StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #88
Do you agree with the OP that there is something the matter with white people in reference to this wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #91
White Privilege Benefit #194: StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #107
Thank you. ConnorMarc Aug 2019 #101
Meanwhile, no one bats an eye at the numerous threads about black people StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #55
OR Skittles Aug 2019 #94
Or It Could Be Generalizations Like That JimGinPA Aug 2019 #110
Why do we have "Black History Month" when "White History Month" would be racist? StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #114
And shouldn't there be a straight pride parade? sweetloukillbot Aug 2019 #116
Poor you StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #117
I am a white male, born in the Midwest, approaching 60 Blecht Aug 2019 #58
Not a single person here has any sociology training. This is a racist thread. change "white" to any wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #61
Change white to "Whiteness" ismnotwasm Aug 2019 #63
Spare me your "wisdom" wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #64
Ah yes. Dictionary racism ismnotwasm Aug 2019 #69
Like the klan justify it wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #84
As opposed to making shit up? How deep is the made up shit here? wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #92
Changing "white" to "any other race" and examining the outcome would make sense if we WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2019 #65
I have sociology training. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2019 #73
Like the klan justify it wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #83
LMBAO!!! ConnorMarc Aug 2019 #103
I don't need 'sociology training' to identify what this thread is. Bonx Aug 2019 #74
What is it? wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #95
My husband works in his union job at an airline and the biggest fat donnie supporter kimbutgar Aug 2019 #76
Groups that were formerly dominant who are losing their power and prestige lash out violently DBoon Aug 2019 #81
Wow, I am lashing out violently. Watch out I might get you! wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #93
talk about an irrelevant non-sequiter! DBoon Aug 2019 #96
You're acting like an ass on this thread. Why? WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2019 #106
i think it's the American male sterotype.. stillcool Aug 2019 #82
Darned white people anyhow. H2O Man Aug 2019 #86
his entire presidency has been a farce. spanone Aug 2019 #87
I have NO idea.. but I do know GET OUT is on TV.... JustFiveMoreMinutes Aug 2019 #102
There's nothing wrong with white people in general. BlueTsunami2018 Aug 2019 #105
Encultured passive racism with lack of self awareness. Amimnoch Aug 2019 #109

LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
1. Some (most?) of it is due to the right convincing them that minorities caused their economic mess.
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 07:16 PM
Aug 2019

Blaming minorities allows the right to keep the heat off the 1% and corporations who are the real culprits behind much of America's economic in equality and hardship.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
79. +1 white extinction anxiety is more like it + enough with the economic garbage
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 02:25 PM
Aug 2019



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BigmanPigman

(51,632 posts)
5. They have been protected and entitled for their entire lives.
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 07:22 PM
Aug 2019

White men never had to worry about harm coming to them. When drugs were a problem it was in minority communities and very little was done. When it entered into the white communities with opioids over the past 10 years they finally see it in their own back yards and finally show concern. It has to effect them personally for them to think it is something serious and needs to be addressed.

They are feeling and acting like the poor victims now due to tRump fueling their fear as they lose control of their cushy lives due to globalization. They are no longer guaranteed a position as the top dog in society anymore. White American men are the new terrorists...go figure.

 

ConnorMarc

(653 posts)
7. So is this a MORAL failure of just over 50% of the American white population?
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 07:28 PM
Aug 2019

That's about how many consistently vote GOP all the time, right?

Nay

(12,051 posts)
62. Yep, pretty much. White men, mainly. And their 'churches' and general patriarchy
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 12:50 PM
Aug 2019

contribute to the failure. Once women and black people won the rights to attend college, apply for decent-paying jobs, etc., they proved themselves able to meet or exceed any standards. White men, who had been taught that only they were smart enough, hard-working enough and also blessed by God himself to lead everyone else, found out they weren't so damn special after all.

And that's why they are pissed. They have to PROVE their worth, not just claim it because they are white.

Essentially, these types are immature and the internet has fed that immaturity. That's why lots of these guys are still living with their parents, refuse to do well in school, and hold minor jobs, if any. In the past (I'm 70), these guys would be tossed out of the house and forced to work construction, whatever, to support themselves. That's how they matured (some of them). Most 'white man' jobs, no matter how badly they pay now, paid well because only white men were hired for them and they protected each other. That has all changed. Then add in automation. With automation, we are ALL fucked.

 

ConnorMarc

(653 posts)
99. Pretty good and valid points
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 07:49 PM
Aug 2019

But weren't they (white men) already pissed at blacks from before they started "terkin' errr jerbs?!?"

/

Nay

(12,051 posts)
104. Only in situations where blacks were 'uppity' to whites, or had the nerve to look
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:02 PM
Aug 2019

at a white woman, etc. As long as you stayed in your place, you would most likely be OK unless a mob was on a mindless rampage. (Lots of lynchings were done by roving mobs.) White men felt the same way toward white women -- wives and daughters did what they were told, or else. When I was a child, no cop would bother a man slapping his wife around; it was considered a private family issue. You might get a talking-to if the screaming disturbed the neighbors.

Once women and blacks could free themselves from white men by getting decent jobs, white men started getting enraged all the time. Then the internet, where they can congregate and tell each other how awful women and coloreds are, and how they need to die. It's a huge mental health problem, on top of the fact that these types start out as your garden-variety assholes. Now they're assholes on steroids.

real Cannabis calm

(1,124 posts)
6. The main problem with "white people" is poor vision; and they are rare
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 07:25 PM
Aug 2019

Albinism is a rare group of genetic disorders that cause the skin, hair, or eyes to have little or no color. Albinism is also associated with vision problems. According to the National Organization for Albinism and Hypopigmentation, about 1 in 18,000 to 20,000 people in the United States have a form of albinism.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
37. Ha, I see what you did there!
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 12:51 AM
Aug 2019

Good comeback. Change the word "white" in the title of the OP to "black", and it then obviously looks both racist and pejorative.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
115. If we changed the word "white" to "black" and then replaced the last 400 years of white experience
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:47 PM
Aug 2019

In America with the last 400 years of the black experience in this country, you might have a point.

But otherwise, you don't. Sorry.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
8. In the context of these recent shootings
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 07:28 PM
Aug 2019

The question shouldn't be about white PEOPLE in America, but rather Young, White MEN.

And my answer is I don't know.

 

ConnorMarc

(653 posts)
10. Yeah, I guess one COULD argue that, but...
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 07:33 PM
Aug 2019

Historically, white American men have been the most violent and most terroristic (if that's even a word) in this country.

I mean, cross burnings, firehosing folks, lynchings...all while their good white families and the town crowded around in approval.

It's way past time for a reckoning, don't you think?

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
14. +1000
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 07:37 PM
Aug 2019

This! There are a lot of white people out there who have issues with racism, but there seems to be one demographic in particular that is responsible for most of the mass shootings in this country and it young, white men.

There are a few outliers, such as middle aged white men and a very few minority men, but the biggest danger by far seems to be coming from young white men.

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
27. young, white, undereducated men.
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 10:50 PM
Aug 2019

I am a white woman and have a white son, age 39, who is as liberal as they come. He has a college degree, as do his father and I, and also our two daughters and our (white) son-in-law. We are all staunch Dem voters!

The education factor must not be overlooked. It's also upbringing. Conservative parents tend to produce conservative kids--unless they get educated out of it!

 

ConnorMarc

(653 posts)
12. But why though?
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 07:35 PM
Aug 2019

What's the underlying cause for such hatred?

Aren't they self-professed Christians?

tblue37

(65,490 posts)
30. Propaganda works, and young males are the demographic most inclined to violence, crime,
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 11:01 PM
Aug 2019

and general lack of impulse control.

So when white people are flooded with propaganda that incites violence, the young men are the ones most likely to act on it.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
11. They're afraid that their whiteness-value is slipping away.
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 07:35 PM
Aug 2019

Rural, semi-rural, and alienated, poorly educated whites detest the inevitable demographic shifts occurring in America. They envision brown hordes “taking away their stuff” and “getting free stuff from the government.”

That, and they’re terrified of change.

 

ConnorMarc

(653 posts)
13. Again, just 50 years ago, or let's say 60
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 07:37 PM
Aug 2019

In the height of the Civil Rights movement...were they afraid their whiteness was slipping away then too?

Basically, what I'm asking is...when have they NOT acted this way?

VOX

(22,976 posts)
19. Yes, they've always been racist and suspicious of outsiders.
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 07:52 PM
Aug 2019

But Trump, Fox, hate-radio and social media have given them a voice they’ve never had at this level.

And they’re pushing boundaries, even shooting through them. They’ve got an advocate in the White House, their own Pravda-like “news” network, and the churning, unflushable toilet of social media, all spitting out exactly what they want to hear.

They’re deluded into believing that THIS is their time come around at last. More likely, they’re going out like a super nova, with a large flare before the lights go out.

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
28. because their whiteness is all they've really got to feel good about.
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 10:55 PM
Aug 2019

They don't have a good education, or a good job or good property--each of those being related. They are just "nobodies"--except they think at least they are white.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
15. I will sometimes go on other boards and read the comments - for as long as I can
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 07:42 PM
Aug 2019

stand it - and you would believe the amount of people who blame this on "God" being taken out of the schools and communities.

I feel like screaming at them, "NO! These are YOUR people!" These are Right-wing, Christian, white-supremecists. They are "Christian", yet they are filled with hatred for anyone who isn't like them.

These are not Liberal, Democratic Athiests and Agnostics shooting up schools and stores and festivals. These are your people!

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
17. White young incel males,
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 07:48 PM
Aug 2019

only want white model type of women who they can treat like crap.

However, white model type of women can hook up with any color of the raindow they prefer.

Unfair, to control freak white guys, and instead of picking up their game, they rather blame others.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
18. Hey white people!
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 07:50 PM
Aug 2019

Why don't you police your community and prevent these bad things?

(Is what we told all other races and religions to do.)

Not so easy, is it?

I'm white living in an 80%+ brown area.

I don't have any problem, but it's been a long time since I was 20. Back then I was in the Marines working Avionics, and not whining about how there were minorities getting promoted before me. Suck it up, turn off fox, limpbutt and Jones and smile.

You may find you're an incel because your attitude sucks.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,448 posts)
20. White people live in a country that is built on white supremacy, and is strongly invested in not
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 08:00 PM
Aug 2019

examining how its success is rooted in the oppression and exploitation of the bodies of black people and POC. White people have been raised to believe that equality and success and opportunity is a pie, and finite, and can only belong to some people who earn it and deserve it, and the strongest indicator of that worthiness is the color of your skin.

Mossfern

(2,557 posts)
22. My thoughts exactly
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 08:54 PM
Aug 2019

while reading this thread I was formulating a response - glad to see that you got it covered. Maybe the author can edit the subject line to "some" or "so many"?

Response to zackymilly (Reply #24)

 

ConnorMarc

(653 posts)
34. The subject line is correct
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 12:34 AM
Aug 2019

I put context in it in my OP.

If you're feeling mentally abused by it then, I dunno what to tell you.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,448 posts)
39. All white people in the U.S. benefit from white privilege.
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:10 AM
Aug 2019

Not all white people recognize that fact.

All white people in the U.S. live in a white hegemony.

Not all white people are working to dismantle it.

Better?

Ferrets are Cool

(21,110 posts)
43. Hell no
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:41 AM
Aug 2019

That does not address the subject line. He claims there is something very wrong with ALL white people that needs to be addressed. I am vehemently objecting to that. Add the word 'MOST" and I am ok with that, but what the OP did was implicate that ALL white people are the same, and that same he was implying was not a good thing.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,448 posts)
71. Perhaps, but white supremacy is a lot more than race-based shootings.
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 01:30 PM
Aug 2019

"Disapproving" of race-based shootings is the easy part.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
78. There are many guns
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 02:23 PM
Aug 2019

And anyone can do a mass shooting for any basis. Some of them have no basis in group identity at all.

sir pball

(4,760 posts)
47. I call them "self-identified Whites"
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 09:46 AM
Aug 2019

The ones who love to say stupid shit like "If Teh Blax can be proud of their Black heritage, why can't I be proud of my White heritage?" or "Teh Gayz have a month to celebrate their history, what's wrong with wanting a month for us Whites to celebrate ours?" I'm one of the whitest kids you'll ever meet (we didn't just go to an Episcopal church in my little white-house-black-shutter WASP as hell CT hometown, we had to go to the "right" one, not the "new" one), and while I'm not particularly activist, I'm definitely aware of what advantages I have and have had throughout life, and blankly stare when someone pulls that "I'm White and proud of it!" shit.

I tend to remind them that my Scots/English-heritage half hates their White-ass French asses, and my Polish-heritage half DEFINITELY still has some bones to pick with those paragons of Whiteness in Germany.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
31. Continued segregation
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 11:17 PM
Aug 2019

I grew up in TX where there were a lot of black people. I rarely if ever interacted with them. I moved out of there to CO when I was still young enough to reassess my perspective. Even then, most of CO is white or Hispanic (not black.) It wasn't until I worked for several years in a predominantly immigrant suburb that I really began to appreciate diversity.

Yes, I mean that I had to be retrained through cultural immersion. That was the only thing that really did it. And I had to work at a school that was mostly POC.

Look, I say that I learned a hell of a lot, but I'm still worried about reverting. I suppose that, in the end, that's the best I can do: continuously work on self awareness. I sincerely doubt that is possible in the dominant white culture without having had the exposure I've had.

 

ConnorMarc

(653 posts)
38. Couple of things...
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 12:54 AM
Aug 2019

What do you mean by "I had to be retrained?" as in, from what to what?

And also/too,"reverting", same as above.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
49. What I mean about "retrained" is I had to be sensitized
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 10:28 AM
Aug 2019

I was living and working in a highly racially diverse setting. Whereas I had never considered the daily lives of POCs, now I was part of their daily lives. In other words, we are one community with shared experiences. Before that happened, I was content to worry only about my own life. By "reverting" I mean returning to that previous state where I did not actively consider the issues of POCs in my community. That's the sort of mental segregation I'm referring to. A white person sees someone of color. There is no hate for them, but there certainly isn't any recognition of inequality. It's just sort of "You have your life and I have mine." Call it soft core racism if you like. White people just don't want to care.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
108. Your original question referred to all white people
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:23 PM
Aug 2019

Some posters have taken offense. I freely admit I still have some learning to do. How the hell can I know what it's like to be black in America when I am white? I still don't. There is simply no way I can. Not fully anyway.

Here is an example. I had a student several years ago who was African American. After she had my class for the semester she began working in the tutoring center where I also work. We became closer friends. At some point I just forgot about her being "black." She was just my buddy. About two years ago (when MAGAt racism was really beginning to take off) she told me that she and her mother had taken a walk around their neighborhood, and some kid had yelled "F you, fat n---." I was really pissed off. She told me she was going to start walking with a baseball bat. The next week I asked her if she had seen the kid again. She told me to drop it; she didn't want to discuss it.

So what did I learn from this? I took it more personally than she did because I felt alienated from her in that moment. I was a white dude listening to what some other white person said to her. When she told me she didn't want to discuss it further, I realized how much I was overcompensating for something perpetrated by another of "my race." So there is guilt associated with racism. I think that guilt can quickly turn allies into enemies. That guilt is not your problem. No way! It's just that we white people don't like being reminded of our racist tendencies. As a whole, we have a lot of growing up to do.

 

ConnorMarc

(653 posts)
35. White women overwhelmingly support them though
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 12:36 AM
Aug 2019

And they themselves engage in aggressions against black women.

Look up the Mallory controversy w/the "Me Too Movement"

Remember when everyone thought that all white women would support Hillary, even Republican ones?

Didn't happen, they supported Trump to the tune of 54%, correct me if I'm wrong.

Is it something in the soup?

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
46. All too many white women align with and enable white men
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 09:06 AM
Aug 2019

They have for centuries. And this has not only resulted in such abominations as the current presidency, but has also caused death and mayhem for black people - especially black men who have lived and still live under the threat of being false accusations by white women of "crimes" that can have dire effects on their lives.

Their whiteness draws them much closer to white men than their femaleness draws them to other women.

Beringia

(4,316 posts)
42. I think it has to do with not wanting to not wanting to taint their beautiful minds
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:31 AM
Aug 2019

Like the Barbara Bush quote:

"But why should we hear about body bags and deaths, and how many, what day it's gonna happen, and how many this or that or what do you suppose? Or, I mean, it's not relevant. So, why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that, and watch him (her husband, former president George H. W. Bush) suffer?"

Addressing the question of how much television news she'd recently been watching, in light of the enormous media attention given to likely outcomes in a U.S. war with Iraq. The interview took place two days prior to the start of the Iraq War, Good Morning America (18 March 2003)


My father was involved in community help to blacks in Chicago for his whole career, so the whole subject is in my blood. But my youngest sister was not as influenced by my dad as the rest of us. She doesn't want to waste her "beautiful mind" on other people's problems. I visited her in Alaska once and we were watching the winter olympics and the black ice skater from Chicago was winning and I was saying how great that was, and she said, she didn't care, he wasn't from Alaska, so why should she care.

Shani Davis

sweetloukillbot

(11,070 posts)
52. The number of "Not All White People!" in this thread
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 11:44 AM
Aug 2019

Just shows how ingrained white privilege is.
If something is said about white people it MUST be about ME, and HOW DARE YOU!

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
53. Or perhaps it's that many of us dislike sweeping generalizations, about any race.
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 11:47 AM
Aug 2019

The OP wouldn’t last for long if any other race was substituted for “white people.”

treestar

(82,383 posts)
66. Because white people are privileged
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 01:22 PM
Aug 2019

That makes generalizing about them ok? Holding them responsible for the acts of others is fine because of this privilege. But if you don’t have the privilege, such a thing would be unfair. How does that work?

How do you expect that to sell to the average white voter? They aren’t a minority yet , so at least some of them are needed.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,448 posts)
70. .
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 01:28 PM
Aug 2019
Because white people are privileged That makes generalizing about them ok?
Because white privilege is a thing, getting butthurt over generalizations is an excellent diversion for people who don't want to examine it and dismantle it.

Holding them responsible for the acts of others is fine because of this privilege. But if you don’t have the privilege, such a thing would be unfair. How does that work?
Holding them responsible for the acts of others doesn't make any sense. Holding them responsible for doing nothing to dismantle white supremacy does.

How do you expect that to sell to the average white voter?
I don't. I keep my anti-racism discussions limited to political and issue activists.

They aren’t a minority yet , so at least some of them are needed.
Everyone is needed. Dismantling white supremacy in the United States is work that will take political will and policy change, but work outside of politics as well.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
77. No one is butt hurt
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 02:16 PM
Aug 2019

You may as well join the Deplorables in saying that Muslims are responsible to stop Islamic terrorism. How do you claim it is different ? Muslims aren’t an oppressed minority in their countries either.

Nonwhite people are not so helpless as you indicate as they have done more than most white people to do away with white supremacy.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
72. We generalize about people all the time, especially people of color
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 02:01 PM
Aug 2019

Even on this board:

"Pete Buttigieg's ideas are starting to intrigue black voters. Their support is another matter." (his ideas aren't intriguing ALL black voters)
"Joe Biden remains a favorite among black voters, even if he doesn't know his Kool-Aid" (he's not a favorite among ALL black voters)
"Trump Fuels Racial Disharmony. Will It Motivate or Discourage Black Voters?" (ALL black voters won't either be motivated or discouraged by Trump)
"If black voters come to view Kamala Harris as viable, much of their support will migrate to her" (SOME black voters will never come to view Harris as viable)
"People of color are embracing self-care, activism after Trump's latest racist tweets" (Not ALLl black voters are embracing self-care and activism)
"Black, Latino Dems torch DCCC for lack of diversity" (Not ALL black and Latino Dems torched DCCC)

Not one of these thread titles describing blacks, Latinos and other persons of color narrowed down the description to certain subsets of those groups or stated "not ALL." Yet, there was no hue and cry (there never is) about people of color being lumped together or being the victims of "generalization," or not being treated as individuals. And there certainly was no concern expressed about how we could "expect that to sell to the average black voter."

So yes. One of the privileges of being white is not only usually being treated as an individual, not part of a group and, on top of that, feeling perfectly entitled to resent it and speak up whenever they are identified as being part of a larger group.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
75. We know that is a shortcut for "the majority "
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 02:08 PM
Aug 2019

It is not at all the same usage.

If have defended about Muslims all wanting t to attack us many time talking to right wing nuts.

I understand the privilege but don’t see how it justifies the same type of generalizing. Most white people are appalled by white supremacists. As I have argued most Muslims don’t “wish us all dead” and other such nonsense from the deplorables.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
80. Think about what you just said
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 02:30 PM
Aug 2019

I have yet to see anyone complaining about references to "white people" base their complaint on the fact that the reference is a "shortcut for '"the majority.'" The objection is that referring to "white people" implies that ALL white people think a certain way or do a certain thing (which it doesn't). But no one complains when people refer to "black people" or assume that the reference is to ALL black people. Arguing now that everyone knows that referring to "black people" is a "shortcut for 'the majority'" of black people, while referring to "white people" means ALL white people is a dodge.

The truth is that, as I said, one of the privileges of whiteness is feeling entitled to be offended at being referred to as part of a group because they think of themselves as just "people," while being perfectly comfortable with other "people" being identified by their group.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
91. Do you agree with the OP that there is something the matter with white people in reference to this
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 05:35 PM
Aug 2019

weekend's shootings?

Broad brushing white people as some do in this thread is racist. Those doing it are racists. I am not sure what your point is.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
107. White Privilege Benefit #194:
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:16 PM
Aug 2019

Feeling perfectly entitled to lecture black people about what is and isn't racist.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
55. Meanwhile, no one bats an eye at the numerous threads about black people
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 11:49 AM
Aug 2019

My favorites are the ones where white people (but not all white people ...) explain to us who black voters are supporting or should support and why.

But that's different, I suppose.

JimGinPA

(14,811 posts)
110. Or It Could Be Generalizations Like That
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:27 PM
Aug 2019

Wouldn't be permitted here if "white people" was replaced by any other group of people.



 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
114. Why do we have "Black History Month" when "White History Month" would be racist?
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:43 PM
Aug 2019

And we could never get away with having "White Entertainment Television" or the "National Association for the Advancement of White People."

And let's not even talk about what would happen if we marched around chanting "White Lives Matter!"

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
61. Not a single person here has any sociology training. This is a racist thread. change "white" to any
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 12:49 PM
Aug 2019

other race and there would be a pile on the OP calling out racism.

The author of the OP knows what he's doing. DU has slid since trump to something akin to trumpism.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
64. Spare me your "wisdom"
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 12:52 PM
Aug 2019

Anyone agreeing with the OP is a racist just as trump is.


Definition of racism

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,448 posts)
65. Changing "white" to "any other race" and examining the outcome would make sense if we
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 01:14 PM
Aug 2019

didn't live in a white hegemony.

This country has a problem with white supremacy. It was built on white supremacy. Who better to address it and dismantle it than white people?

Bonx

(2,075 posts)
74. I don't need 'sociology training' to identify what this thread is.
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 02:04 PM
Aug 2019

Or why it's being allowed to continue.

kimbutgar

(21,206 posts)
76. My husband works in his union job at an airline and the biggest fat donnie supporter
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 02:16 PM
Aug 2019

Is a very ethic looking Mexican who is so far gone he’ would sell off his own race. This guy could be scooped up by the INS but he thinks fat donnie is the greatest president in his lifetime. He become a right winger because of 9-11 and stews daily listening to rush, sean and savage in his workshop. My husband tells me when he walks by that area he is repulsed by the snippets he hears of the hate coming from the radio. I wonder what Rush etc are saying today probably blaming the liberals for the shootings.

DBoon

(22,397 posts)
81. Groups that were formerly dominant who are losing their power and prestige lash out violently
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 03:04 PM
Aug 2019

The landed aristocracy in the 18th/19th century

The self employed Germans in the early 20th century

White people in 21st century USA

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
93. Wow, I am lashing out violently. Watch out I might get you!
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 05:40 PM
Aug 2019

We can't walk down the street for all the white people lashing out violently. Nobody goes to work anymore. No more sweet grannies. No more helping people, we are too busy lashing out violently.

My wife at work, she is right now lashing out violently. Me too!

What a crock of shit!

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
82. i think it's the American male sterotype..
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 03:07 PM
Aug 2019

and the inability to live up to the image considered acceptable...that and the lack of a human connection.

JustFiveMoreMinutes

(2,133 posts)
102. I have NO idea.. but I do know GET OUT is on TV....
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 07:55 PM
Aug 2019

.. and I was excited because I love that show.....

But it was at the dinner where the brother was being an obnoxious shit.

And knowing the ending... I just couldn't bear to watch that WhiteIsRight crap.

sigh. ,

BlueTsunami2018

(3,503 posts)
105. There's nothing wrong with white people in general.
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:10 PM
Aug 2019

There’s a big problem with radicalized, right wing white people. Particularly with radicalized, right wing, younger men.

There’s not much difference between this group and other radicalized terror groups around the world.

The real question is, what do we do about it? How do we fix it? Can we fix it?

I have some ideas, none of which will ever be addressed by a Republican dominated Senate.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
109. Encultured passive racism with lack of self awareness.
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:27 PM
Aug 2019

Most think they “know” what racism is, and have confined it to a very narrow range of very specific behaviors... They think KKK, Nazi, lynching, concentration camps.. Anything outside of that.. not really racism to them.

They refuse to see the fact that the majority of entire races of people don’t intrinsically trust law enforcement and the judicial system to treat them fairly, to address their grievances, or engage them equitably as a sign of a larger problem. The lack of innate trust that they have in LE and our judicial system is something everyone should have to them, all despite the plethora of evidence provided that races are not treated equally by LE, nor the Judicial system as a whole.

And that’s just one area of what’s wrong.. similarities exist in the employment market, banking, housing/renting markets, or even just walking across the street and clutching a purse closer just because a minority passes by too closely..

Just to start..

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