Alan Dershowitz raped 15 year old sex slaves provided by Epstein.

[NightWatcher]

Last edited Mon Jul 29, 2019, 09:00 PM - Edit history (1)

How else do you explain....( and if you say he wrote the oped back in 1997, I'll y'all you how long he's liked teenagers)

Link to tweet

I stand by the constitutional (not moral) argument I offered in my controversial oped: if a 16 year old has the constitutional right to have an abortion without state or parental interference, how could she not have the constitutional right to engage in consensual sex?


This is sick!


A write up about his disgusting life in the New Yorker that printed today. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/08/05/alan-dershowitz-devils-advocate

[former9thward]

1. What state are you in?

A majority of states allow consensual sex at age 16. Do you think all those states are sick? Maybe you do but that is not where the American people (and the people of the world) are at.

[SunSeeker]

8. It's 18 in CA. In most states with large populations it's 17 or 18, like CA, NY, FL & TX.

My guess is although the majority of states have it set at 16, the majority of children live in states with an 18 or 17 age.

Statutory rape laws are necessary for the society because they protect minors from sexual exploitation. Most states do deem young people capable of making decisions concerning intimate relationships when they attain 16 years of age. However, even in these states, persons below 18 years of age are still considered as children and the law protects them from sexual exploitation, especially by persons of authority and close relatives such as guardians.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/age-of-consent-in-the-us-by-state.html

Indeed, minors are far too often impregnated by the very person who they would need permission from to get an abortion. THAT is why it makes sense to have a lower abortion consent age than a statutory rape age. It's all about protecting the child, not the pedo or john. That's something Dershowitz does not understand. Do you understand?

[former9thward]

16. I am not talking about abortion.

Understand? I am talking about sex. I am not a part of Puritan Underground. Others may differ. Ohio is not a big state? It is 16. Michigan is not big state? It is 16. CA is the only big state at 18. What is the huge difference between 16 and 17? What magically happens?

[SunSeeker]

20. You think us not wanting 50 year olds having sex with 16 year olds is about PURITANISM?

No, it's about acknowledging the huge imbalance of power between an adult and a CHILD.

I have a 15 1/2 year old child. A year makes an IMMENSE difference during the teen years, as their brains and bodies are rapidly developing. A 16 year old is significantly more vulnerable than a 17 or 18 year old. Most 16 year olds don't drive and can't just drive away if things start looking sketchy (most 17 and 18 year olds can). Most 16 year olds certainly don't have a car or have much money. A pedo adult can step right in and manipulate that child with his (and it is usually a he) money, car, home, alcohol, drugs and gifts. Then once he gets the kid to do something, the kid is ashamed of and is afraid to tell anyone about, he's got the kid trapped. The pedo can threaten the child with ruinous exposure if anyone found out. So the kid gets sucked in to do more and more.

OMG I can't believe I have to explain this to you. This isn't about us being "puritanical, " this is about protecting kids from predators.

[ehrnst]

47. I think there is a difference between two teenagers having sex and an older adult, who

has much more power and supposed judgement, and a teenager having sex.

That's behavior in an adult that is very worrisome. It shows a wish on the part of the adult to control someone who has fewer tools to avoid manipulation.

[True Blue American]

79. Most teens

Live on emotions. They do not have adult judgement, making them vulnerable to older adults.

[True Blue American]

78. Thank you!

Facts there!

[pnwmom]

42. In the op-ed, Dershowitz argued that 16 is too OLD to be the age of consent,

that reasonable people might disagree about 14, so that 15 might be an "appropriate compromise."

He is lying now when he suggests he argued for 16.

The age should be 18, except for teens within a couple years of each other. So an 18 year old having sex with a 16 year old could be okay -- but not a 22 year year old or a 40 year old with a girl of 16.

[former9thward]

49. Your opinion on the age. Not mine.

Or most Americans or most people of the world. I have been requesting a link to the Op Ed and so far no one has provided it.

[pnwmom]

65. The Op-Ed can be read here,

if you are on Twitter.

A.D. thinks it could be "reasonable" to have an age of consent as low as 14, though some might disagree, and that 16 or 17 is "certainly" too high. He suggests 15 as an "appropriate compromise."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212330831


If you're not on Twitter, the relevant passage from A.D.'s editorial is here:

Based on the demographic criteria the age of consent should be lowered. It certainly should not be as high as 17 or 16. Reasonable people can disagree over whether it should be as low as 14. Fifteen would seem like an appropriate compromise. Perhaps there should be staircasing below 15 with the penalty increasing inversely with the age of the victim.”

[former9thward]

66. Then why promote birth control and condoms in high school?

"Well, they are going to do it no matter what we say". Yeah, they are. But we want to keep it criminal while handing out condoms. BS.

[SouthernProgressive]

68. Because high schoolers have sex with high schoolers. NT

[former9thward]

71. No, they don't

They have sex with whoever they are going to have sex with. That is what the age of consent means.

[pnwmom]

84. No, that's not what the age of consent means. The age of consent laws

recognize the fact that in a relationship between an adult and a child, there is a power imbalance that doesn't exist in a relationship between a couple teens or preteens.

[former9thward]

86. No U.S. consent laws go to preteens.

So I don't know why you would bring that up unless it is an attempt to cause misunderstandings. You are wrong on age of consent. Age of consent means just that. The ability to consent to have sex with anyone. Some states have pre-age of consent laws where statutory rape is defined. If the definition because of age difference then statutory rape is not charged.

[dawg day]

89. There are states where children can be married.

...at 14 or 16.

[former9thward]

92. Yes there are.

[pnwmom]

91. Age of consent laws in some states have close-in-age exemptions. The only person

an underage person can legally have sex with is someone legally "close in age." (Although the definition of that varies considerably by state.)

https://www.ageofconsent.net/close-in-age-exemptions


And 12 year olds can still consent to marry in some states and have sex with their spouses, with the consent of a parent and/or judge.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/02/10/why-does-the-united-states-still-let-12-year-old-girls-get-married/?utm_term=.43917c057851

[True Blue American]

80. Good Lord!

Dirty old man! A disgrace to his profession.

[LanternWaste]

60. I suppose I'd rationalize my preferences in much the same way.

"I am not a part of Puritan Underground..."

I suppose I'd rationalize my preferences in much the same way were they other than mainstream. It's much easier to throw the obligation onto others via implication rather than support our own directly.

[George II]

61. Dershowitz thinks 16 is too old, I guess to rationalize doing it with 15-year olds.

[True Blue American]

77. Ohio is basically redneck.

Half the people here came from the Southern states, or their parents did and the mentality lingers on.

We would not have a 72 year old man with 8 children apposing abortion if we were more progressive.

[Gothmog]

88. As the father of two daughters, I support statutory rape laws

Epstein and Dershowitz need to rot in prison

[triron]

19. I believe NM is 16.

[SunSeeker]

21. Your point? nt

[Leith]

9. That is not the point

The issue with Epstein was that he recruited and coerced young teenage girls to have sex (consentually or not) with middle aged or old men. The girls did not know how to escape, had nowhere to go, and are not knowlegeable enough to know how wrong the whole scenario is.

There's a big difference between a couple 15-year-olds fooling around and old men getting their jollies with someone their daughter's or granddaughter's age.

Let's agree to disagree on the definition of "sick."

[TexasBushwhacker]

10. Most states with 17 or 18 ages of consent have exceptions

for teens less than 3 or 4 years different in age, so even if the AOC is 18, a 19 year old may legally have consensual sex with a 16 year old. A 21 year old could not.

[SunSeeker]

24. That's because there's not the same power imbalace, and risk for manipulation.

There's a big power imbalance between a 21 year old and a 16 year old child. Between two 16 year olds or two 17 year olds, not so much (plus neither of them can buy alcohol). Statutory rape laws are about protecting kids from predators.

[wellst0nev0ter]

26. When I saw the initials AOC I said "Whaat?

[Crabby Appleton]

28. Me too.

[Celerity]

87. me three, lololol

and age of consent also reminds of

[madville]

17. 30 states are age 16

States where the age of consent is 16 (30): Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Vermont, Washington, and West Virginia.

[pnwmom]

69. Dershowitz says 16 is "certainly" TOO OLD to be the age of consent,

that some people might reasonably disagree about 14, so 15 is an "appropriate compromise."

[Farmer-Rick]

22. His article advocates having sex with girls as young as 14

Because they are just girls. He doesn't mention having sex with 14 year old boys. I guess raping boys is just not fun for him.

He claims if those little girls dare to have abortions at that age then fat old men like him should be able to f*ck them without everyone objecting, and calling him a rapist or pedophile. Because there is just not enough women out there wanting to f*ck him I suppose. And since a few of these children are having sex with each other then fat old men should also be able to f*ck them.

There are about 20 states that set the age of consent at 17 and 18. So the tide is moving towards an older age of consent not younger and younger.

I swear are all rich people pedophiles? It sure feels like it.

[former9thward]

50. Where is the link for those quotes?

[Farmer-Rick]

53. It is at the tweet. There is a link to his article at the original

Tweet. Follow the posted links. I can't cut and paste on this tablet.

And I'm not quoting I'm paraphrasing.

So, why is a fat old man advocating for lowering the age of having sex with little girls to 14? Are all the fat old filthy rich pedophiles? It sure seems like it.

[FM123]

55. this is from HuffPost, it might be the link .....

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alan-dershowitz-age-of-consent_n_5d3fd799e4b0db8affad7ded

[True Blue American]

81. In light of the Epstein indictment

As an Attorney I would recommend that Dershowitz shut up. And I am not an Attorney.

Next, Trump will pardon Epstein.

[spin]

85. If Trump pardons Epstein prior to the election I predict ...

he will lose big time. However Trump might pardon Epstein on his way out the door if he loses the election.

If concrete evidence comes out proving Trump was sexually involved with Epstein's under aged sex slaves he will also lose the election. He also will be indicted and prosecuted once he leaves office.

[George II]

67. Here:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAp11ldWkAAYpHX?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Whiskeytide]

25. You're talking about HER right to ...

... consent to sex - which in most states she can do. Dershowitz is clearly talking about HIS right to commit statutory rape, and then be able to excuse it with “she was totally into it”. Two very different things.

[True Blue American]

76. Yes, I think

It is sick. 16 year olds do not have the maturity to make adult decisions.

[asiliveandbreathe]

2. Just a sample of tweets on this twitter feed...

GUYS WHAT I'M ARGUING IS TOTES NORMAL AND NEED I REMIND YOU I HAD MY UNDERWEAR ON THE ENTIRE TIME!

I DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER! I DON'T EVEN HAVE A PHONE!

I AM SPEAKING TO YOU TELEPATHICALLY RIGHT NOW

OMG thru the tears I type...

[leftstreet]

33. LOL "Dershowitz holds Fight For 15 rally"

I saw that one but can't find it now

[magicarpet]

3. Alan Dershthedouche the an honorary member of the Judge Roy Moore's....

.... it is okay to rape 15 year old little girls-club.

[uponit7771]

4. Yeah, ... tell it to the judge ... see if he's convinced pedophile sex trafficking is OK

[DURHAM D]

5. Just skimmed the New Yorker article.

Dershowitz is a scumbag any way you look at it.

[Voltaire2]

6. Well shithead, consider this scenario:

Last edited Tue Jul 30, 2019, 03:34 PM - Edit history (1)

Just so there are no more misunderstandings: by ‘shithead’ I am referring to Dershowitz.

A single parent father rapes his daughter and she gets pregnant. He refuses to 'allow' her to have an abortion.

Or to put it more simply, so even this shithead can understand, NOT ALL PREGNANCIES ARE THE RESULT OF CONSENSUAL SEX.

'kay?

[procon]

7. Did this pedophile moron teach this crap

to his students at Harvard law school?

[smirkymonkey]

11. I just finished reading the article in the New Yorker.

He is 10 times more disgusting and despicable than I had ever imagined. It is no wonder he is such a fan of Trump. He is a sick, immoral, misogynistic, star-fucking, money-grubbing, greedy, lying, cheating pedophile.

He treated his first wife terribly, beating her so badly that she ended up in the hospital. He was cheating on her and she found out so she scattered some of his legal papers to the wind. He responded to this with a vicious beating. She filed for divorce and he ended up getting custody of their two sons, no doubt from employing some of his slimy tricks. She ended up committing suicide by jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge a little over a year later. There is very little info on her because he did his best to scrub all information on her from public records. He was such a bastard.

That is just the beginning. There is much more to prove what a horrible, evil bastard he is. I hope he ends up in prison with Epstien. He definitely belongs there.

[Bluepinky]

30. Didn't Dershowitz defend OJ Simpson--

who was so angry with his ex-wife that he killed her and a male friend? I guess Dershowitz thinks murder is okay, as long as the man has lots of money and can pay for his defense.

Dershowitz has no morals.

[smirkymonkey]

34. Yes, he has a long history of defending wife beaters and wife killers.

Along with defending pedophilia and rape. Read the article. He is a despicable person.

[dawg day]

90. Claus von Bulow too.

And that made his name because they made a film about it.

[Maru Kitteh]

12. RAPED. The word you are looking for is RAPE. Not "screwed." nt

[NightWatcher]

13. Thank you.

[Greywing]

14. Well I'm totally convinced now that this SOB raped at least one underage girl

and probably more. The fool doth protest too much. I hope he goes down in flames ...

[Me.]

15. And This, I Believe, Explains The Money

She told me, “Ghislaine would say, ‘We want you to please these men in whatever way they want, I don’t care how gross or kinky it is.’ ” Epstein wanted her to report back about what the men liked. Giuffre told me that a video-recording system had been installed in the New York mansion, and she was convinced that Epstein was gathering information to use for leverage on the men. Doctors were on call to treat her and the other girls, and Giuffre remembered that Epstein would tell his friends that “we were clean, we’re tested regularly, we’re on birth control, no need to use a condom.”

[Cicada]

18. Age of consent is 16 or younger in every European country, America is weird

[SunSeeker]

23. No it's not. And there is nothing "weird" about not wanting adults manipulating children into sex.

Last edited Tue Jul 30, 2019, 12:55 AM - Edit history (1)

16 year olds are children.

[Cicada]

31. Your view of the age of consent is disputed by every civilized country on earth

I worked in Saudi Arabia. I find their religious views on sex relations harmful. I think the Puritans in the US also caused harm in their religious views in sex relations. I was seduced by a 19 year old woman one summer when I was a 17 year old boy. That was extremely good for me. It greatly increased my self confidence and self esteem. To jail her would be vile. Burning witches, or jailing people like older women seducing teen aged boys, is evil.

[SunSeeker]

36. Wrong. And there's a big difference between teens of 17 & 19 having sex vs. a 16 & 50 year old.

This is not about Puritanism. It's about acknowledging the huge imbalance of power between an adult and a CHILD. 

I have a 15 1/2 year old child. One year, let alone three years, makes an IMMENSE difference during the teen years, as their brains and bodies are rapidly developing. A 16 year old is significantly more vulnerable than a 17 or 18 year old. Most 16 year olds don't drive and can't just drive away if things start looking sketchy (most 17 and 18 year olds can). Most 16 year olds certainly don't have a car or have much money. A pedo adult can step right in and manipulate that child with his (and it is usually a he) money, car, home, alcohol, drugs and gifts. Then once he gets the kid to do something, the kid is ashamed of and is afraid to tell anyone about, he's got the kid trapped. The pedo can threaten the child with ruinous exposure if anyone found out. So the kid gets sucked in to do more and more. 

Yes, many European countries have a 16 year old age of consent between teens, but there are restrictions. For example, many, such as Spain, France, Germany, Denmark and Sweden, set the age of consent at 18 for people in a position of trust, such as students and teachers. https://jakubmarian.com/age-of-consent-by-country-in-europe/

There's a big power imbalance between a 21 year old and a 16 year old child. Between a 17 and 19 year old, not so much (plus neither can buy alcohol). Statutory rape laws are about protecting kids from predators.

This isn't about us being "puritanical, " this is about protecting kids from predators.  There is nothing "civilized" about letting predators feast on our kids. That is not just "my view."

Wow. Just wow. I can't believe the shit I'm reading in this thread.

[qazplm135]

40. Statutory rape laws

Are solely about ability to consent not necessarily about predators. A fifty year old with an 18 year old is probably a predator of a sort. There's certainly a huge power imbalance there.
But we've determined that 18 (or 17 or yes 16 depending on the jurisdiction) is old enough to consent even with that obvious power imbalance.

Every state also doesn't have the three years older rule so yes in some states 19 and 17 is statutory rape. No power imbalance but a legal incapability of consent.

[pnwmom]

43. Many laws have exceptions for underage sex when the older teen is within a couple years of the age

of the younger teen -- as in your case.

[qazplm135]

45. But

Not all do.

[pnwmom]

46. Which don't? I've never actually heard of any. n/t

[qazplm135]

51. Here is a link

https://www.nedbarnett.com/states-romeo-juliet-laws/

It appears to be a year or two old.

[DonCoquixote]

56. absurd

"I was seduced by a 19 year old woman one summer when I was a 17 year old boy. That was extremely good for me. It greatly increased my self confidence and self esteem. "

There are many scenarios where that might have become disaster, such as if you got that woman pregnant, or if she was trying to take advantage of you for various reasons (money.)

[treestar]

62. +1

obviously immaturity and it may have done more harm than good in the long run.

[True Blue American]

82. Are you bragging about that?

That is all you needed to be self confident?

As a 17 year old girl I was immature. Most teens are. But somehow I doubt having sex would have built my self esteem. Quite the opposite!

[qazplm135]

39. 16 is the age of consent in many states

And the military. I'm not citing that as good or bad. I don't know what the perfect age of consent is. I would certainly not want an 18 year having sex with a 16 year old to be a crime.

Some states it's 17 and some it's 18.

I'm not sure boys and girls at 18 are mature enough then either or that a fifty year old with an 18 year old is any less troublesome than with a 16 year old.

[SunSeeker]

41. Why can't we all agree that a 50 year old should not be preying on 16 year olds?

Let alone 15 or 14 year olds.

[qazplm135]

44. I am pretty sure

I said a fifty year old with a 16 year old isn't a good thing.

But I don't make the law.

A fifty year old with an 18 year isn't a good thing either.

That doesn't change what the law is in a great many jurisdictions.

[pnwmom]

70. 15 -- not 16 -- is the age Dershowitz says could be the "appropriate compromise"

since 16, in his opinion is "certainly" too old -- and "reasonable" people might disagree about 14.

[qazplm135]

72. Well

It's not really a debate anyone but him is having.

[pnwmom]

73. But it's interesting that the alleged pedophile is determined to have it, isn't it? nt

[qazplm135]

74. not really

I started considering him a nutjob long ago.

[wellst0nev0ter]

27. But they can't film themselves having sex

For good reason, yes?

[Cicada]

32. In a Puritan world where sex is viewed as sinful filming sex causes harm

America still suffers from the cruel views of Puritan fanatics, just as women all across the world still suffer from other cruel religious and social beliefs. So yes filming sex should be tightly controlled to protect those being filmed. When a film of Netanyahu having sex with a woman not his wife came to light he was able to quickly limit its political damage. He said, oh god are we becoming just like the Americans?

[SunSeeker]

37. OFFS, Cicada, sex between consenting adults is not viewed as sinful, pedophilia is.

Please don't compare adults having extra-marital affairs that no one gives a shit about (Clinton survived such a scandal long before BeBe did) to 50 year olds preying on 14 year olds. Good grief.

[Cary]

48. WTF?

smh.

[uponit7771]

58. +1

[Farmer-Rick]

63. Oh wow, the filthy rich have been making a concerted effort to keep age of consent low.

Some European countries have the age as low as 14. Imagine a 14 year old is an adult. Yet they can't drink, or drive or vote or smoke or fight back.

So now, that the filthy rich have stolen most of our wealth through a vicious capitalist system and have corrupted our politics, they want to be able to rape our children too.

[mr_lebowski]

29. I've long maintained that whatever is the youngest age a person is ever tried as an adult in a state

Should be that state's age of consent, the age of voting, the age of buying cigs & alcohol, of signing up for the military service, of writing your own absence notes for school, of driving, of your parents having the right to kick you out of the house, etc. And of course, to choose an abortion on your own.

AFAIC, either you're an adult, with all attendant rights and privileges ... and responsibilities ... or you're not. All these 'different ages to be an adult' stuff is garbage, IMHO.

You wanna try a 14 year as adult in your state? Then 14 should be the age someone becomes an adult, including the right to choose to sleep with fat old 50 year dude.

So, while I would not tie the age of consent to the age of being able to choose an abortion, I WOULD tie it to the youngest age at which anyone is tried as an adult.

And that's because I hate the idea of children being tried as adults, and want the states who make this fucked up decision ... to have to live with the proper, logical consequences thereof.

[SunSeeker]

38. It's bad enough we're trying 14 year olds as adults, letting "fat 50 year" olds at them won't help.

[hunter]

35. He closed his eyes, didn't pull down his underwear, and pretended they were old Russian women.

That makes it okay.

.

.

.

yes, that's

[uponit7771]

59. +1

[dewsgirl]

52. Florida statutory law, is a 16, 17 can have sex with a 23 yr old. Over that is unlawful.

at least in 2014 this was the case. I had to look this up, my son and his gf were caught by her father (who had hit on me relentlessly, knowing my husband left town for work often). Needless to say he was angry, he threatented to call the police. My son was 16 and a half, she was 17 almost 18. I lost my temper (I never lose my temper) it was so absurd for him to even think such a thing. We knew them well, since they were in preschool. They dated another 3 yrs. after that. I have spoke to him a handful of times since that night, the absurdity of all that still gets me angry.

[democratisphere]

54. Always been a creepy guy and now THIS.

[dlk]

57. Dershowitz is Desperately Attempting to Rationalize his Sexual Predation

What a sleazy lowlife! He couldn’t care less about women’s rights. Is’s all about his privilege which he believes includes sexually exploiting children. He’s beyond disgusting and I wonder if std’s are rotting his brain.

[George II]

64. Hey Douchewitz, the operative word is "consensual", not forced.

[mr_lebowski]

83. I might entertain this argument coming from the lawyer of, say a 20 year guy ...

Where he was facing 10 years due to some F'd-up uber-strict state law for sleeping with his 16 y.o. girlfriend ... like if they got caught in the backseat on make-out point by the cops or some such.

Like, say, if the girl had got on the stand and said the two were engaged, they'd grew up together, living down the street, had always had a crush on each other since they were kids, the sex was her idea, her parents even got on the stand and said they loved the guy, they encourage a relationship ... and she's like a straight-A student, and he's a Marine ...

Bottom-line, maybe Lawyer making mostly this same argument in a VERY DIFFERENT scenario ... (without the RW sympathy bullshit of dragging abortion into the discussion!) might cause me to step back and say ... okay, that's not an entirely unreasonable argument in CERTAIN CASES. Very strict laws can have some truly unfair consequences. THAT is absolutely true. People getting 10 years for stealing a candy bar cause it was 'strike 3' come to mind.

I would also feel pretty bad knowing that what the 16 year girl had to say about the situation ... meant NOTHING in terms of the 20 year dude doing serious time, due to intrusion of the government into these people's private lives.

Arguing that 16 is 'too old' though? I wouldn't go along with that. I would entertain 16 as a fair compromise. There are in fact a great many places that have come to the conclusion that this a fair compromise, that seems not unreasonable.

This all being said ... this argument coming from Doucheshewitz? Knowing what I know now, from reading Julie Browns reporting? That's an entirely different thing. This isn't defending a client, this is defending HIMSELF.

There is absolutely 0% chance that the same 16 year old I just described ... transferred into Epstein's harem ... felt the same way about Dersh's wrinkly ass that she felt about her 20 y.o. Marine boyfriend. No way, never, no how.

There's absolutely no way any such young lady 'consented' by any reasonable definition of the word ... to what you and your pal Jeff made her do. You might say ... that you paid her $5000 or some such ... and therefore, she was 'happy' ... but you know what? That actually just makes it worse, asshole!

And by the way ... I'm betting some of them were 14-15, weren't they now, Dersh? Betting that particular part of your 'argument' was not ... random, was it?

[ck4829]

75. K&R

[Oneironaut]

93. Any adult man over the age of 25 who has to worry about the age of consent is really creepy.

Why would any grown man want a 16 year old teenager? That’s totally disgusting.