Mass shooting tips from law enforcement specifically for people that carry.

[TXPaganBanker]

These are tips I heard from a law enforcement professional years ago. They are meant to protect both someone who legally carries a firearm, as well as law enforcement.

If you find yourself in a mass shooting situation where you are carrying a legal firearm and not a member of the police:
Do not draw or fire your weapon.
1. Studying the shooter for a return shot keeps you in the danger zone longer. Use your time and energy to leave the area as quickly and safely as possible.
2. Firing at the shooter will give away your position. This makes it exponentially more dangerous for you, as you are now seen as a threat and the shooter knows where you are.
3. When police arrive at the scene, gunshots from multiple sources force them to spread resources.
4. It is entirely possible that the police will not be able to tell you from the shooter. The police may shoot you on accident.
5. If the police see a person with a weapon, and attempt to question or detain them, it puts them in danger because they are distracted from the real threat.
ONLY draw and fire your weapon if you are directly confronted by the shooter and you have no other options. If you shoot and kill the attacker, all the police know is they saw you shoot someone.

For everyone who knows a guy that's gonna say "good guy with a gun"... This is what the experts tell you to do.

[Turbineguy]

1. Wayne LaPierre

ain't gonna like that advice. Following it risks fewer people getting shot.

[Straw Man]

2. The core message.

ONLY draw and fire your weapon if you are directly confronted by the shooter and you have no other options.

This is exactly right. Every self-defense trainer I've ever encountered concurs.

[TXPaganBanker]

3. I have that one idiot relative...

that always shows class by saying things like "Of course they shot up California, they knew no one would shoot back." I posted this on FB without tagging him, but I thought I would share it here too, in case anyone else has that friend or relative.

[lapfog_1]

5. so what about music festivals in Nevada

"Open carry is legal in Nevada irrespective of whether the firearm is loaded. And open carry does not refer to magazines, which do not have to be carried visibly. Also note that permits are not required for a person to open carry lawfully. But people do need permits to carry concealed in Nevada."

Someone with a sniper rifle should have returned fire and killed the gunman in the Mandalay Bay Hotel, right???

[Cirque du So-What]

4. Well, that just deflated a whole buncha heroic fantasies

Undoubtedly, many will read this advice and still pine for an opportunity to demonstrate their manhood - a word I don't toss around lightly.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

6. As if there is ever a mythical "good guy with a gun"

around.

[AtheistCrusader]

10. There have been a few, and they have helped, but some paid a terrible price for it.

In Tyler Texas, bystander with a gun halted the courthouse shooting, and saved a kid that was about to be shot execution-style, but because the shooter was wearing body armor and a flak jacket, the bystander's pistol didn't penetrate. They exchanged fire, good guy was killed, but the shooter was out of time, and had to flee because cops were starting to arrive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_courthouse_shooting

In the Tacoma Mall, bystander with a gun confronted the shooter, but didn't shoot him right away, and tried to talk him down. Other people got away, but because the bystander didn't shoot him immediately, the shooter ended up shooting the bystander. Ended up a paraplegic. The delay appeared to help though, no one else got shot after he confronted the shooter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_Mall_shooting


There aren't a lot of examples, but there are some, though most go badly for the first responder, because going up against a rifle with a handgun is a shitty day, no matter how good of a shot you are.

[Throck]

7. I thought everyone just broke out their cell phones and filmed?

Then posted on YouTube?

[maxsolomon]

8. tips for a miniscule population

people carrying at a public festival/festivals under attack by a mass shooter.

might as well post tips on wrangling unicorns.

[AtheistCrusader]

11. Pretty much, because no non-police people that legally carry would have been carrying inside the

festival. It is within the venue's legal rights to refuse entry to people who are legally carrying. (Unless law enforcement)

[underpants]

9. Run Hide Fight

Those are the instructions

All the “Gun Free Zone” smartasses conveniently leave out that any gun in a known active shooting situation has to accounted for by the cops. They have no idea who you are and don’t care. Their first priority is to get the situation under control. The irony of the people who ridicule gun free zones also pledging undying respect and admiration for law enforcement could choke a horse.

[Caliman73]

12. Yep. Even LE, with training miss, freeze, and make mistakes.

The response at Gilroy was exceptional. Those officers are to be commended for the quick and effective response, but as I said, that is exceptional. Even law enforcement figures on shooting incidents show that officers fire and miss at high rates.

The best response is to get down, make sure your loved ones are safe, and get the heck out of there. The rule of thumb is to never act in any way with a gun, that you would not act without that gun. Meaning, if you didn't have a gun, you'd be getting the hell out of there so even if you have one on you, you should get the hell out of danger. Even Rambo is not Rambo in real life.

[Squaredeal]

13. People who carry "to be heroes" are cowards..

...and they are would be vigilantes who would cower if someone started shooting into a crowd.

[AllaN01Bear]

14. thanks for posting this. common sense . good guy with a gun, nonsense.

dont play rambo. i also bookmarked this thread.

[TheBlackAdder]

15. Most carriers won't intervene. They carry to protect themselves. You don't carry, that's on you.

[angrychair]

16. This is a perfect example

Of a long standing perspective I've had.

Over the last couple years I've found myself in public situations, in large public areas, with armed civilians, in a couple cases with long guns over their shoulders, and I ask myself:

"how do I know they are a 'good guy' with a gun?"

The answer is "I don't"

Yet I'm supposed to be quiet and polite and let that person have his "gun rights" while I have to be fearful that he may or may not decide to start a mass shooting at any moment.

Yes, I could leave. But what about other family members? Friends? Neighbors? Complete strangers? Dont they matter to me? Dont i have a right to worry about their health and safety?

Dont I have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

Yes, they have rights. But in the aggregate, my rights are in the best interest of the greater good as my rights won't kill or injure anyone, on purpose or on accident.

[Buckeyeblue]

17. My argument against carrying concealed weapons is the lack of training

99% of those carrying have not been trained to shoot in an emergency situation. It doesn't matter how much time you've spent at the range shooting your weapon, when the shit hits the fan everything is different. Things go faster. You have to maintain a calm urgency and make quick life and death decisions. It is not play time.

[JohnnyRingo]

19. Those wannabe be heroes don't shoot back.

And no one in their right mind would.

Firing on a mass shooter just makes you the next target because it usually takes more than one fatal shot to take down a shooter. Even pros only hit 20% under duress, and if you miss you're probably dead.

I remember the Colorado shooting where the guy entered the back of a movie theater dressed as the Joker. Considering where it occurred, I'm sure there were lots of handguns in that theater that night but no one fired back. No one.

In most cases a CCW is just an excuse to carry a nickel plated accessory.

[hack89]

20. Concealed carry is only for personal protection

And only as a last resort. Taking on someone armed with a rifle takes a lot of skill and training the average gun owner doesn’t have.