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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 12:00 PM Jul 2019

Worst Responder: Trump tells 9/11 First Responders "I was down there, I spent a lot of time"



President Donald Trump on Monday got called out for making a “delusional” statement to a group of first responders during a signing ceremony to commemorate legislation that will permanently authorize the September 11th victim compensation fund.

During the ceremony, Trump claimed that he was at the site of the World Trade Center after the 9/11 attacks nearly 18 years ago assisting the police and fire fighters who were helping to rescue people.

“Many of those affected were fire fighters, police officers, and other first responders,” the president said. “And I was down there also, but I’m not considering myself a first responder, but I was down there, I spent a lot of time down there with you.”

There is no evidence that Trump helped search for survivors at Ground Zero, and retired New York City Fire Department Deputy Chief Richard Alles told Snopes last year that he never heard of a group of rescuers hired by Trump to help out. Additionally, Alles said that additional help from private responders was not necessary.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/07/more-and-more-delusional-trump-trashed-after-telling-9-11-first-responders-that-he-too-went-to-ground-zero/
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Worst Responder: Trump tells 9/11 First Responders "I was down there, I spent a lot of time" (Original Post) Miles Archer Jul 2019 OP
The video Miles Archer Jul 2019 #1
Stealing credit from all of those first responders...this is sickening. Show 1 picture, show ... SWBTATTReg Jul 2019 #14
Definitely Altzheimers Brainstormy Jul 2019 #2
Hard to tell if a con man is delusional or just conning. unblock Jul 2019 #6
Maybe. But Trump has lied like this his whole life. Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #8
Nah, just a self serving liar. cwydro Jul 2019 #13
People with dementia can become delusional but I respectfully disagree on this one. Caliman73 Jul 2019 #15
Not true in my experience Brainstormy Jul 2019 #20
Lies. He lies deliberately. yardwork Jul 2019 #21
Maybe someone can find the link to SayItLoud Jul 2019 #3
How Donald Trump Cashed in on 9/11 Miles Archer Jul 2019 #7
So, he wasn't in real need of the money. . . Collimator Jul 2019 #18
I also spent a lot of time there... *before* 9/11... unblock Jul 2019 #4
Oh, but I seem to recall that Trump managed to file a claim with his insurance company for damages.. Frustratedlady Jul 2019 #5
See above...he collected/ n/t Miles Archer Jul 2019 #9
Bingo! I thought so. Frustratedlady Jul 2019 #10
'Normal' trump empedocles Jul 2019 #11
Laying the groundwork for making his own claim on the fund gratuitous Jul 2019 #12
This is a new low. underpants Jul 2019 #16
Trump lied? SCantiGOP Jul 2019 #17
He confused himself with Hillary dalton99a Jul 2019 #19
are people like Chuck Todd just going to let him lie because he liked the optics of it JI7 Jul 2019 #22
That man has no soul. Is there a lie that he won't do? nt Blue_true Jul 2019 #23

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
1. The video
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 12:02 PM
Jul 2019
MSNBC
@MSNBC

President Trump to 9/11 first responders: "I was down there also, but I'm not considering myself a first responder. But I was down there. I spent a lot of time down there with you."


SWBTATTReg

(22,143 posts)
14. Stealing credit from all of those first responders...this is sickening. Show 1 picture, show ...
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 12:31 PM
Jul 2019

anything to prove it. Where are the pictures? Being such a publicity hog, you should have tons of pictures already.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
8. Maybe. But Trump has lied like this his whole life.
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 12:13 PM
Jul 2019

I don't doubt that he's coming down with dementia, but at the end of the day he's a just a chronic liar. And that's true whether he has dementia or not.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
15. People with dementia can become delusional but I respectfully disagree on this one.
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 12:35 PM
Jul 2019

Typically the delusions experienced by people with dementia are not associated with longer term memories but come out of disorientation or confusion in the short term. Not to say that they cannot happen with regards to longer term memories, but that is usually in the late stages of the disorder where the disorientation is more pronounced.

Given Trump's long record of self serving lies (dating back to at least 30+ years) it is more likely a result of his underlying personality disorder and the influence of the stress of the job, stimulants that he is reportedly taking, and lack of sleep.

Brainstormy

(2,380 posts)
20. Not true in my experience
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 09:16 PM
Jul 2019

I have a friend with Altzheimer's right now who claims to have been places he's never been, been married to women he's never known, and almost daily relates very weird versions of past events. Some of these have elements of truth in them and bits of actual events and real people but many are completely inexplicable. Almost all of his stories are self-aggrandizing. But his first symptoms didn't even show themselves until about a year ago.

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
3. Maybe someone can find the link to
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 12:04 PM
Jul 2019

tRUMP ripping off the 9/11 rebuild fund by claiming he was a small businessman.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
7. How Donald Trump Cashed in on 9/11
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 12:12 PM
Jul 2019
How Donald Trump Cashed in on 9/11

September 9, 2016 7:02PM ET

Some have raised objections to Trump applying for federal recovery funds, lobbied for by then Sen. Hillary Clinton



https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/how-donald-trump-cashed-in-on-9-11-105833/

In January 2002, four months after the attacks, Clinton and Schumer stood in the White House Rose Garden, where George W. Bush thanked them for their work as he signed into law a budget containing some $20 billion in dedicated funding for New York’s recovery.

A not-insignificant chunk of that federal funding, $2 billion, was earmarked for distribution by the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation and the Empire State Development Corporation. About a quarter of that – some $500 million – was explicitly set aside for helping small businesses in the area recover. Among the 8,214 early recipients was 40 Wall Street LLC, the most valuable building in Donald Trump’s portfolio of properties, a skyscraper that sits less than a mile from Ground Zero. (An additional $350 million was later allocated to the same cause, bringing the total number of businesses impacted to more than 14,000.)

Trump applied for and accepted the money, despite the fact that – as he acknowledged in an interview with a German news show immediately after the attacks – the property “wasn’t, fortunately, affected by what happened to the World Trade Center.”

Technically, 40 Wall Street LLC (if not its parent company, the Trump Organization) did meet the criteria for the funds: It had fewer than 500 employees, and was located south of 14th Street. And, as the agency that administered the funds said, eligibility wasn’t necessarily determined based on damage incurred; rather, the goal was “to keep businesses and jobs from deserting the city and moving to other States or overseas.”

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
18. So, he wasn't in real need of the money. . .
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 12:56 PM
Jul 2019

But it was there, and he took it.

Those folks on food stamps, though--they need to stop being so dependent on handouts.

Some days I feel that my distaste for the man is so strong, I could choke.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
5. Oh, but I seem to recall that Trump managed to file a claim with his insurance company for damages..
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 12:04 PM
Jul 2019

Didn't he try to collect a chunk of dough, even though he didn't have damages?

Maybe I'm all wet and just ASSUMED he tried to collect, since he's done it so many times.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
10. Bingo! I thought so.
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 12:19 PM
Jul 2019

At least with Trump, you could lay a bet that he collected on any claim possible. That's his modus operandi, so you are probably right. What a reputation he has built.

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