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funds for construction of his wall? The Constitution gives the House the power of the purse. Anyone have an idea how this will be challenged since there is no higher court?
Justice Kagan received a request for an emergency stay of a lower court order and passed it
to the court at large. It's just a "stay" not a final decision of the constitutionality of an action.
(Justice Kagan is the "circuit judge" for the 9th circuit, see: https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/circuitAssignments.aspx )
Test of the order (.pdf): https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6219678/7-26-19-SCOTUS-Sierra-Club-Order.pdf
This from PoliticAverse.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)by definition their rulings can't be unconstitutional. Anyhow, they decided only that "the administration could tap the money while litigation over the matter proceeds. But that will most likely take many months or longer, allowing Mr. Trump to move ahead before the case returns to the Supreme Court after further proceedings in the appeals court." https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/26/us/politics/supreme-court-border-wall-trump.html
The Supreme Court said the groups challenging the administration - private parties, not Congress- did not appear to have a legal right to do so. In other words, it wasn't a decision on the merits, but only one having to do with standing to sue. So it isn't over yet.
brush
(53,791 posts)litigation is going on to decide the matter. And we know that's trump's gametying things up in court for as long as possible. They're allowing him to circumvent Congress and spend funds how he wants.
What's to stop him now from doing this with other appropriations?
Congress does have the power of the purse... but they delegated some of that power to the president if he declares an emergency. The current question. Is whether the President abused that discretion... not whether it exists.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)TRump has abused the power without a doubt.
FBaggins
(26,748 posts)... five Supreme Court justices appear to disagree with us.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)but, before Trump there have been dozens of national emergency declarations and they've mostly never been challenged or repealed. They may grant #DonnyDollhands some leeway because of that.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)We should remind Trump supporters at every opportunity that "Trump has gone so far as to declare a national emergency and bring in the U.S. Supreme Court so he can force you to foot the bill for the wall he promised he'd make Mexico pay for."
jmowreader
(50,560 posts)Trump's been running around with his "support the troops, support the troops, you're not an American if you don't love the troops as much as I do!" schtick. Then he decides to pull $5 billion in funds from the troops? If we don't make "Trump Fucked The Troops Harder Than He Fucked Stormy Daniels" into a huge campaign issue, we deserve to allow Trump to continue destroying the country.
former9thward
(32,025 posts)It is being taken from other Pentagon construction projects over two years. The Defense budget is $693 billion a year now. $5 billion from a two year budget of $1.4 trillion is a rounding error that no one will notice.
kentuck
(111,103 posts)The Courts have been infected by partisanship to a dangerous degree.
panader0
(25,816 posts)And that no new wall will be built?
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Congress gave away huge power with the Emergency Declaration act.
It was during the Cold War and no one could see a president like trump. But it was a huge give away.
The question is will any party in power be willing to give that power back to congress. In other words, would any president, Democratic or republican, be willing to sign a law repealing that law.
I would love to see that as a debate question. And the answer might get me to change my preference.
We have got to get Presidential Power back to preWWII levels. Which I understand will hamstring Democratic Presidents as well as republican.