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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 06:50 AM Jul 2019

Barr says Mueller 'could've reached a decision' on obstruction

From May 29th, 2019

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/30/william-barr-mueller-report-decision-1348216

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Attorney General William Barr split with Robert Mueller on Thursday over Mueller’s decision to punt on whether Trump sought to obstruct his Russia investigation, saying the special counsel "could've reached a decision."

The rift between Barr and Mueller publicly reemerged after Mueller broke his silence on Wednesday following the nearly two year investigation. In his first public comments, Mueller told reporters that charging Trump with anything was never “an option we could consider” due to a longstanding Department of Justice policy against charging a sitting president with a federal crime.

While Mueller made clear the investigation operated under that framework, Barr told reporters last month that Mueller had not solely relied on the DOJ opinion when deciding whether Trump obstructed justice.

In a letter to lawmakers summarizing Mueller’s conclusions earlier this year, Barr said that because Mueller did not make a determination on obstruction, he and then-deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein made the decisions themselves.

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Barr says Mueller 'could've reached a decision' on obstruction (Original Post) kentuck Jul 2019 OP
The question is: kentuck Jul 2019 #1
They have no intention of being logical about this. Its gop fuckery as per usual. BSdetect Jul 2019 #2
I think you are right. kentuck Jul 2019 #3
Don't back down Kentuck, watoos Jul 2019 #4
Yep. kentuck Jul 2019 #6
This is just another ruse duforsure Jul 2019 #8
Barr and Rosenstein reached a decision NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #11
The entire decision chain included Barr, Rosenstein, and Trump. kentuck Jul 2019 #12
I still think NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #13
That would be a good question to ask Mueller. kentuck Jul 2019 #14
while Barr is despicable NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #16
??? Ithought Barr said the report exonerated trump and there was no collusion....??? beachbum bob Jul 2019 #5
K&R... spanone Jul 2019 #7
Whatever decision except exoneration would have obstructed by Barr blueinredohio Jul 2019 #9
I wonder if Barr has changed his mind about whether Mueller "could've reached a decision"...? kentuck Jul 2019 #10
Barr is lying again standingtall Jul 2019 #15

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
1. The question is:
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 07:34 AM
Jul 2019

If, according to Barr, he could have reached a decision on obstruction then, why can't he reach a decision on obstruction now?

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
3. I think you are right.
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 07:53 AM
Jul 2019

Neither Party's leadership wants to touch it with a ten-foot pole.

They want it decided in the next election.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
4. Don't back down Kentuck,
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 08:23 AM
Jul 2019

you hit on a solid point. Barr stated that Mueller could have rendered an opinion on obstruction and that frees up Mueller to render said opinion at the hearing on Wednesday. Whether or not Mueller walks through that door is anyone's guess.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
6. Yep.
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 08:50 AM
Jul 2019

He gave him the option of declaring that there was obstruction.

Will Mueller "walk thru that door"??

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
8. This is just another ruse
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 08:55 AM
Jul 2019

He was probably assured he couldn't , and trump has Barr telling this now to undermine Mueller's decision after told he couldn't. Barr's just another crook and a liar for trump.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
12. The entire decision chain included Barr, Rosenstein, and Trump.
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:29 AM
Jul 2019

They decided there was "no collusion, no obstruction, no nothing"

It didn't matter what Mueller, his team, and two and a half years of investigation decided.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
13. I still think
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:43 AM
Jul 2019

that when Barr took office, he called up Mueller and said that he (Mueller) needed to get his final report to him within 30 days. Mueller may be by the book, but him leaving a dozen or so investigations unfinished and farmed out to other offices seems unlike a guy that has a reputation for being very thorough.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
14. That would be a good question to ask Mueller.
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:46 AM
Jul 2019

I think he was asked to end his investigation, also.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
16. while Barr is despicable
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:48 AM
Jul 2019

I'm sure he's smart enough to legally phrase it so it does not seem like he ended it early.

Just need to find some smarter people (calling Adam Schiff) that can decipher and poke holes into the legalese.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
9. Whatever decision except exoneration would have obstructed by Barr
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 09:45 AM
Jul 2019

so it doesn't matter. But in my opinion unless Mueller tells all and outs Trump a lot of this destruction should be shouldered by him.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
10. I wonder if Barr has changed his mind about whether Mueller "could've reached a decision"...?
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:23 AM
Jul 2019

...about obstruction?

standingtall

(2,787 posts)
15. Barr is lying again
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:46 AM
Jul 2019

If Mueller had made a decision on obstruction Barr would've never let the Mueller report see the light of day, but that will be the story if Mueller does make a decision on it at the hearing.

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